paulpatter Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 Members of the Quorum of the Twelve are apostles; however, I notice they are almost always referred to as elders. For example, in introducing a member of the Twelve, the person doing the introducing will refer to him as "Elder ______." Also, articles written by members of the Twelve typically carry the byline "Elder ____ ________." When is it appropriate to use the title "apostle" when referring to a member of the Twelve? Is it ever wrong to refer to a member of the Twelve as "elder"? I will very much appreciate your counsel.
David T Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 Paul the Apostle is never referred to as Elder Tarsus
Duncan Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 I just say Elder J. Cheever Loophole a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, or Elder Otis P. Driftwood, one of the Apostles and I have heard older people say Apostle Hammer or whatever the case may be 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 Members of the Quorum of the Twelve are apostles; however, I notice they are almost always referred to as elders. For example, in introducing a member of the Twelve, the person doing the introducing will refer to him as "Elder ______." Also, articles written by members of the Twelve typically carry the byline "Elder ____ ________." When is it appropriate to use the title "apostle" when referring to a member of the Twelve? Is it ever wrong to refer to a member of the Twelve as "elder"? I will very much appreciate your counsel.In Sunday School I would always apply the term Apostle or Prophet to the dead, and Elder to the living in be correct in nomenclature.
halconero Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 Peter refers to himself as the First Elder in scripture...so maybe that's the precedent?I feel it's kind of like the title "King" or "Queen" among the monarchies of the world. It's a title that they hold, but when referring to them directly or formally you say "Your Majesty" or "Your Grace."I maybe wrong on this, and if I am, it's because it's 12:31 here and I'm pooped. Good night.
emarkp Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 I've been taught that the term is one that is solemn and not to be thrown around lightly. Hence the addressing as Elder.
blackstrap Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 If an apostle fell into apostacy,could it be rightly termed an apostlecy?And if so, would the remaining apostles send out an epistle to that effect ?( lateness in the day is no excuse for this ) 1
volgadon Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 If an apostle fell into apostacy,could it be rightly termed an apostlecy?And if so, would the remaining apostles send out an epistle to that effect ?( lateness in the day is no excuse for this )Well, there was the infamous caption in the BYU newspaper, the quorum of the twelve apostates...
Freedom Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 If an apostle fell into apostacy,could it be rightly termed an apostlecy?And if so, would the remaining apostles send out an epistle to that effect ?( lateness in the day is no excuse for this )I am apostles that you would say such a thing
Freedom Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 My understanding is that 'apostle' is an office not a title. Elder is both a title and an office, but we do not call missionaries 'elder' because they hold the office of an elder, but rather, because of their authority endowed by holding the Melchizedek priesthood. For example, we do not call the 1st counsellor in the Bishopric 'High Priest Jones'. We use the following terms: Elder, Bishop and President. These are titles that state authority. A Bishop is not a bishop because he is a bishop in the Aaronic priesthood.
cesc101 Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 I noticed in D&C 20, there were originally 4 priesthood offices, and only 1 belonged to the higher priesthood (ie. Elder). So, in my view (which could be completely wrong) once you hold the Melchizedek Priesthood you're an Elder (by title), all others are only Offices not titles [JS History 1:72].
Paddy Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 We're not some of the early members of the quorum of the twelve not ordained as apostles?? I try and dig up the reference. Paddy
Alan Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 In the RLDS tradition they say:Apostle Fred BloggsSeventy Jim SmithElder Sandra JonesPriest Joe Taylor ...........etcThese titles apply to anyone who holds that priesthood office, not just general authorities.
Duncan Posted March 8, 2013 Posted March 8, 2013 If an apostle fell into apostacy,could it be rightly termed an apostlecy?And if so, would the remaining apostles send out an epistle to that effect ?( lateness in the day is no excuse for this )I put this up on my facebook thing"When J. Golden Kimball was called as a missionary in 1883, his gospel knowledge was so incomplete that he thought epistles were wives of apostles."http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865575063/KUED-review-Uncle-Golden-recalls-stimulating-church-leader.html 2
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