Cobalt-70 Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Tautology.Not a tautology. I'd call it a definition.
mfbukowski Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Not a tautology. I'd call it a definition.Either way, there is no content. A=A is not horribly illuminating.
MiserereNobis Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Either way, there is no content. A=A is not horribly illuminating.It is, however, quite taut in its logic
Stargazer Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Have you ever been in Missouri in the summer? Not my idea of a paradise.Climate varies over time. Remember the Medieval Warm Period, when there were Norse-settled towns in Greenland? Well, not personally, of course. But the climate supported, at least for a time, the use of barley as a crop up to the 70th parallel.6,000 years ago, Missouri might have had a more salubrious climate than it does now.
Stargazer Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 I lived there for 7 years and loved it. Especially Independence, MO, although Far West is nice also.You realize that we're all going back there someday?Well, you can go if you want. I'll stay here.
Cobalt-70 Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 Either way, there is no content. A=A is not horribly illuminating.It wasn't A=A. It was:x is an element of A implies x is an element of S,where x is "something," A is the set of "true or actual states of a matter," and S is the set of sentences.
mfbukowski Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 It wasn't A=A. It was:x is an element of A implies x is an element of S,where x is "something," A is the set of "true or actual states of a matter," and S is the set of sentences.Uh huh.
volgadon Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 And just for fun, let's throw in some scroll length formulas.
Carborendum Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 ...However, I'll see and raise you with http://emp.byui.edu/...ondi-Ahman.html .I've got a problem with some of the quotes at that link.1) I never saw any "wall" of stones when I visited the site. So, where was it? Where IS it?2) I DO have a problem believing an altar that large could have survived simple weathering after 6000 years. Mortar as was described doesn't last that long, no matter the conditions.But if I don't take Joseph's words (as quoted by others in that link) literally, then I note that he had just stated Nephites had left ruins there. I could believe that Nephites were informed of the sacred nature of the site. Then they either decided to or were inspired to replicate Adam's altar(s). This is no different than our restoration (reconstruction) of the Nauvoo and Kirtland Temples. And Joseph Smith saw the remains of that replica.
Cobalt-70 Posted October 7, 2012 Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) Uh huh.Which implies A is a subset of S, not A=S, and certainly not A=A. I could play this game all day. Edited October 7, 2012 by Cobalt-70
MDalby Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 Not a doctrinal source but this gives some insight.I have often pondered the holy significance of Far West, and even more so since President McKay's visit. The sacredness of Far West, Missouri, is no doubt due to the understanding that the Prophet Joseph Smith conveyed to the brethren, at these early times, that Adam-ondi-Ahman, the place to which Adam and Eve fled when cast out of the Garden of Eden, is where Adam erected an altar unto God, and offered sacrifices, and that Far West was the spot where Cain killed Abel. This information tends to explain why the Lord declared Far West to be a holy consecrated place; and no doubt explains why Satan claimed that place as his own, as it was here that he entered into a covenant with Cain, resulting in the death of Abel, the first of mortal existence [to die] upon this earth. It would appear that President McKay while there felt the spirit and significance of this holy place.(Alvin R. Dyer, The Life of Joseph Fielding Smith, p.340)
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