Paul Osborne Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 But it is so simple. God is my Father. Jesus is a Man. If I can't see them as they really are - Divine Men, then everything the scriptures say about God is a joke.Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Johnny insists that I don't look like God. He insists that the Father is incomprensible and that only Jesus can be touched. I'm pretty sure that's his belief. What? I can't see my Father? What kind of religion is based on not seeing your Father?I can't see how he rationalizes his way out of the "made in the image of God" concept when God made it so clear that a child could understand it. Sadly, Trinitarianism has taken God to a whole new level outside of the teachings of scripture. It is another gospel than the one in the Bible but they stick with it because if they dump it they have to admit the Mormons were right and that is just too much for them to handle.Paul O
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,The Trinity is an idea.The doctrine of the Trinity is a divine idea that clarifies what Holy Scripture reveals.But it is so simple. The Trinity is even simpler ... One God.I can't see my Father? What kind of religion is based on not seeing your Father?A religion based on the scriptures and the teachings of the apostles.Jesus reveals that by seeing the Son we see the Father.I can't see how he rationalizes his way out of the "made in the image of God" concept when God made it so clear.I agree that God made it clear ... Man is made in the image of God .... Man is made in the image of the God that was manifest in the flesh.
LDS4EVER Posted November 28, 2004 Author Posted November 28, 2004 I think the trinity is like onions...it has layers. Oh, wait, that's Ogre's...never mind.
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,I don't think the religious thinkers who invented the Trinity were well versed with the scriptures they had in their posession. The early Church Fathers taught the Trinity.
Paul Osborne Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Man is made in the image of God .... Man is made in the image of the God that was manifest in the flesh. And how about the image of God before he was manifest in the flesh. Is there anything in the OlD Testament that might give us some idea what God looks like?And about the image of God before he made his very first thing, what ever that thing may have been. What did God look like then? Oh, that's right, the Bible doesn't reveal that which is your pat answer.Paul O
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,And how about the image of God before he was manifest in the flesh. What does the image of "the Word" look like?
Paul Osborne Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 it clear ... Man is made in the image of God .... Man is made in the image of the God that was manifest in the flesh. God had not yet manifested himself in the flesh which marked the opening of the New Testament. The Genesis account is literal. We are made in the image of the Father. God has a body and we look like him. The Bible makes it clear that God and Christ are real Persons.Paul O
Big Dogger Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 And you go to church and drink real blood and chew on human flesh. Paul O Please try to be somewhat respectful and not blaspheme against the Holy Eucharist.Peace be with you.
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,The Genesis account is literal. We are made in the image of the Father. God has a body and we look like him. The Genesis account does not say the Father.
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,Because they were living in a day of religious apostasy. The Apostles of Jesus did not teach the Mormon concept of God.
Tanyan Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Ummmm, NO !. The earlier Back you go the closer to the LDS Concept of GOD you get with "THE REAL EARLY ISRAELITE/CHRISTIAN FATHERS" Concept of GOD. How many times do we have to go through this Dance ?. I'm Out of here for several Hours, Will pick it up Tomorrow . In His Debt, Tanyan.
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Big Dogger writes,Please try to be somewhat respectful and not blaspheme against the Holy Eucharist.Hi Big Dogger,Thank you for the reminder ...johnny
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,Let US make man in OUR image God is spirit. Man is a body animated by a spirit.Adam was a living soul.
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Tanyan writes, The earlier Back you go the closer to the LDS Concept of GOD you get with "THE REAL EARLY ISRAELITE/CHRISTIAN FATHERS" Concept of GOD. Could you provide some examples?Clearly the Early Church Fathers did not teach multiple gods created like the Mormon scriptures reveal.
Big Dogger Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Here is the Apostles Creed...the belief of the first generation of Christians.I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth: I believe in Jesus Christ his only Son, our Lord; who was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit; the holy catholic church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. Amen. Do you disagree with the early Church Fathers? If so, why?Peace be with you.
Big Dogger Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 God is a single being. The Hebrew Bible lifts this one article of faith above others, and surrounds it with stern warnings against departure from this central issue of faith, and of faithfulness to the covenant God had made with them. "Hear O Israel! The Lord our God is One God" (Deut 6:4), "You shall have no other gods" (Deut 5:7) and, "This is what the LORD says- Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6). Any formulation of an article of faith which does not insist that God is solitary, that divides worship between God and any other, or that imagines God coming into existence rather than being God eternally, is not capable of directing people toward the knowledge of God, according to the trinitarian understanding of the Old Testament. The same insistence is found in the New Testament: "there is no God, but one" (1 Corinthians 8:4). The "other gods" warned against are therefore not gods at all, but unequal substitutes for God.So, in the trinitarian view, the common conception is a profoundly mistaken one, which thinks of the Father and Christ as two separate beings. The central, and crucial affirmation of Christian faith is that there is one savior, God, and one salvation, in Jesus Christ, to which there is access only because of the Holy Spirit. The God of the Old is the God of the New, and alone is God.Peace be with you.
johnny Posted November 28, 2004 Posted November 28, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,Oh but they did.- the image and glory of God ... the image of the God made flesh- seen me hath seen the Father ... sounds like father is a spirit that can dwell in a man- made after the similitude of God ... after the invisible God- the image of the invisible God ... invisible does not have form- Christ, who is the image of God ... Christ is the divine image- the image of his Son ... the image of the son is the image of man
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