John Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 The Mormon Father (as you put it) was saved by grace. He was glorified by his Father
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,All I know is my God that can save me. What is the name of your God ... is it Elohim or Jehovah?
Paul Osborne Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 - the Father was not made or created- and that in no way is God in man's image Why does that bother you? The scriptures sure seem to imply that he is in our image. Divine appearances have demonstrated that and justifies that Adam was made in the image of God - feet, hands, eyes, etc.You seem to think that a supreme God can't look like a man. Tell me where in the Bible does it say God doesn't look like a man and then I might have reason to believe you.Everything in the Bible shows that God looks like a man - or that man looks like God or that man looks like man. I think you are troubled over this issue. The prophets of the O.T. would really have something to say to you if you chose to argue with them.You preach another gospel than the one I have received throught the prophets. God looks like a man. The Bible declares it.Paul O
Paul Osborne Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 - and that in no way is God in man's image So says Daniel he prophet and the rest of those guys who saw God and lived to tell about it. Who do I beleive; them or you? I'll take what they say at face value. God is real to me - not something that can't be reached or touched by human hand.Paul O
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,Why does that bother you? The scriptures sure seem to imply that he is in our image. Divine appearances have demonstrated that and justifies that Adam was made in the image of God - feet, hands, eyes, etc.The scriptures do not reveal that God is in man's physcial image.Divine appearance's do not reveal that God has feet and hands.
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,God is real to me - not something that can't be reached or touched by human hand. The Son of God can be touched.
John Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne, you said that you believe that G-d and man are made after the same image. You also said that God was once a man. I am curious, do you believe God was a man as we are men? Or do you believe he was a man as Jesus was a man?
Big Dogger Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Following the holy Fathers, we unanimously teach and confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ: the same perfect in divinity and perfect in humanity, the same truly God and truly man, composed of rational soul and body; consubstantial with the Father as to his divinity and consubstantial with us as to his humanity; "like us in all things but sin." He was begotten from the Father before all ages as to his divinity and in these last days, for us and for our salvation, was born as to his humanity of the virgin Mary, the Mother of God.We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division, or separation. The distinction between the natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis.
Paul Osborne Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 The Mormon Father (as you put it) was saved by grace. He was glorified by his Father
Big Dogger Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Because "human nature was assumed, not absorbed," in the mysterious union of the Incarnation, the Church was led over the course of centuries to confess the full reality of Christ's human soul, with its operations of intellect and will, and of his human body. In parallel fashion, she had to recall on each occasion that Christ's human nature belongs, as his own, to the divine person of the Son of God, who assumed it. Everything that Christ is and does in this nature derives from "one of the Trinity." The Son of God therefore communicates to his humanity his own personal mode of existence in the Trinity. In his soul as in his body, Christ thus expresses humanly the divine ways of the Trinity:The Son of God . . . worked with human hands; he thought with a human mind. He acted with a human will, and with a human heart he loved. Born of the Virgin Mary, he has truly been made one of us, like to us in all things except sin.
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,If God can do it so can we! Men can be changed ... God is not a sinful man as me and you ... God is not changed.
John Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 He was a man as we are but I can't rule out the possibilty that we was a Savior as Jesus was - but that is highly unlikely.How do you feel the scriptures about Christ only doing what he had seen the father do play into this?
Paul Osborne Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 His Father and his Father's Fathers.Were they all sinners like the Mormon heavenly Father ... you said you thought the Mormon Father could have been a bigger sinner than you.Yes, most all of them.In the end God is all in all.That's your answer?Paul O
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,You have followed the traditions of uninsipred men. How about you open the Bible, read it, and recognize that God is a Man. Then it will all make sense. I follow the Bible.The Bible does not reveal that God is a sinful man as you have revealed.
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,It's nice to know that you believe the Father and Son are two seperate Persons.That is what the doctrine of the Trinity reveals.The Trinity also reveals their is one God just like the Bible reveals their is one God.
Paul Osborne Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne, you said that you believe that G-d and man are made after the same image. You also said that God was once a man. I am curious, do you believe God was a man as we are men? Or do you believe he was a man as Jesus was a man? As man is God once was.Other than that, I can only speculate, but to what avail? Paul O
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes,Other than that, I can only speculate, I would agree it is only speculation because it is clearly not what the Bible reveals.
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.