johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, Oh, so you are telling me that prior to the Trinity making its first thing, Jesus was learning at the feet of his Father? The Bible does not reveal this ... what do the Mormon scriptures reveal? If he was learning wisdom this would suggest that he didn
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Posted November 26, 2004 Athanasian Creed"Nothing in this trinity is before or after,nothing is greater or smaller;in their entirety the three personsare coeternal and coequal with each other."Johnny:The Father and the Son are seperate persons, the Son did not know the end time because it was under the Father's authority.Paul O
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, The Father and the Son are seperate persons, the Son did not know the end time because it was under the Father's authority.Acts 17 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Posted November 26, 2004 Johnny, has the Trinity always known everything or does it learn?Paul O
johnny Posted November 26, 2004 Posted November 26, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, The Mormon Christ has all wisdom and is true in all things. The Trinity Christ is lacking. He isn't perfected. The Christ of the Bible is perfected ...Luke 1332 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.Paul, It has been fun but it is my bedtime. Talk with you later.johnny
rolothedodo Posted November 26, 2004 Posted November 26, 2004 this has been interesting, But I could not believe in the trinity view of God, its to confusing.
Paul Osborne Posted November 26, 2004 Posted November 26, 2004 this has been interesting, But I could not believe in the trinity view of God, its to confusing. Me neither. The Trinity God isn't very appealing.Paul O
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, I'm talking about the Trinity Christ that existed before anything was made. How could it have been perfected without a body? What would lead you to believe that the Trinity before anything was made was not perfect?
Elihu Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Good morning Paul:-) I've been trying to read some of this today, but gave out after the fourth page! Anyway, because you are such a wonderful fellow I just cannot help but try to lead you to the truth that never needs restoration, but which needs to be believed to please God -You'd said:Christ is made in the image of his Father.Elihu: Can you please supply a verse or two from the Bible that says that? I must have missed it. I can find Scriptures that Jesus Christ was equal with God before being born; I can find Scriptures that say Jesus Christ was glorified with the glory He had before after He returned to the Father in heaven; but as for His humanity, it is said He became flesh and dwelt among us. To become flesh He had to take on a body made of dust, and being found in that body He humbled Himself in obediance to God as a man that He might fulfill all things He had said about Himself and become our Redeemer and Rock and hope of Salvation.Study Philippians 2 very carefully. This is the key to Christian unity that both pleases God and gives Him the glory that is due to Him alone.If you do find those Scriptures I asked for, please do pass them on, as I must believe God and not man.
Tanyan Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Are those "GOD" spirits permanantly in Anthropormorphic [Human] Form or Image ?, and have substance permanantly Or in other words is spirit composed of matter ?. Peace.
Paul Osborne Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Was there a time in which God the Father was not a god or not divine?How does this compare with the idea that Son was God or divine prior to his incarnation?If the Mormon Father was once a sinner, does this mean he once was not divine? Long ago in a galaxy far away, God our Father was NOT divine. This is basic Mormon doctrine although many Mormons don
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Tanyan writes, Are those "GOD" spirits permanantly in Anthropormorphic [Human] Form or Image ?, and have substance permanantly Or in other words is spirit composed of matter ?. Peace. God, the Father transcends form.God, the Son has a glorified body which has formGod, the Holy Ghost is spiritSpirit can be composed of matter, for example when you are born again you are spirit.John 36 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Paul Osborne Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 God, the Son has a glorified body which has form This has not always been the case! He changed. Before mortality he didn
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Paul Osborne writes, God our Father was NOT divine. This is basic Mormon doctrine He became perfect through repentence. After that he was made divine. How can that be if God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity? He was a member of the Godhead and was divine. According to Mormon thinking ... wouldn't the Father also be a member of a Godhead before he was a sinner therefore wouldn't that make him also divine before and after incarnation?
Tanyan Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 I see it as John 5:18--20 states. GOD [The Father always had the "TRUE" GOD NATURE just as his FATHER possesed and was a creator of a Universe [Just like THE LORD OF LIFE CHRIST JESUS] came to an earth [Kenosis] did exactly as JESUS did here, was Exhalted back and recieved a Position as Father that he has had for EONS. JUst my 2 cents !. Peace.
johnny Posted November 27, 2004 Posted November 27, 2004 Tanyan writes, did exactly as JESUS did here The seems to differ with what Paul is saying ... If Jesus was divine before and after his incarnation then this would imply that the Father was also divine before and after his incarnation.
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