Gervin Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Men use love to get sex, women use sex to get love. Speak for yourself, but my wife and I beg to differ.
bluebell Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Sound of Music is a romance. I guess I'm going to have to go confess to the Bishop that I've watched porn having watched that movie. So is seven brides for seven brothers. I guess i'm going to have to tell my grandmother that it's the same as Playboy and she needs to repent. 1
Calm Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Speak for yourself, but my wife and I beg to differ.I would be concerned if a man really thought that sex was the first and foremost reason for love. It goes against the gospel ideal of marriage for one thing where a marriage can be seen as strong and fulfilling to both individuals even if the physical limitations of one of the partners prevents sexual intimacy. Plus it raises concerns for what a marriage is meant to be for men as they age and their interest in sex lessens. The argument that men use love to get sex would imply that a woman has to expect being loved less as they get older based simply on her husband's lower desire for sex and therefore less use for love.
MorningStar Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 While that is true, it's irrelevant.Men use love to get sex, women use sex to get love. If arousal is the goal, and results in the reader.looke's feeling his spouse does not measure up, it's porn.LehiThat isn't how the church defines porn. Porn is meant to sexually arouse. There is a difference between "heart warming" and "arousing". Should I not watch musicals because those men can sing and my husband can't?
LeSellers Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 While I think there may be some truth to it, I also think it's misleading or at least overly simplistic. When I was in the market for a spouse, I wasn't just looking for a nice set of legs. I wanted a friend, companion, and someone I could enjoy life with even the years make us lose our youthful figures.That is not the question.The issue is domen and women react similarly to seeing or reading their preferred version of porn? I say they do because sex is the thing that makes men happy. Unless that urge is under cotrol, the man will always seek grater and greater stimuli to achieve a higher "fix". His wife becomes a poor competitor.A woman who reads romance novels (which is not jane Austin, btw, we're talking books written for the express purpose of making women feel "safe", "cared-for", etc.) does so to feel what she's not feeling:"safe", "cared-for", etc., which is equivalent to how a man feels when he's arouse sexually. The two are not the same, but they are equivalent.I have another question. Why is feeling safety, caring, etc. sinful? Do I need to confess to my bishop about watching the Anime called Clannad (which I did not find erotic in the least)?There's nothing wrong with feeling safety, caring, etc. "safety, caring, etc.", the source of those feelings is the potential problem.I have no idea what "Clannad" is (heck I don't know or care what anime is), so I can't comment. For that matter, even if it were viley graphic eroticism, I don't know who you are: you may be asexual, and you're really an aspriing anime artist trying to get a good idea of how to make your art.I grant that unrealistic expectations can become a problem. I just don't see that as always being the case with fiction focusing on relationships.let's be clear: the type of "romance novel" I'm discussing is explicitly written to present an impossible male character in a situation so fantastic that the woman reader "becomes" the heroine, the object of Romeo's ardent desirel the male character is beyond ultra: he's ideallized to the point of superhuman capacity to care for his woman. It's mre than simple escapism: it's whole purpose is to draw the reader into the world and keep her there, even when the last page is turned.Lehi
MorningStar Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Sound of Music is a romance. I guess I'm going to have to go confess to the Bishop that I've watched porn having watched that movie. Ohhhhhhhh ........ Edelweiss! Edelweiss! EDELWEISS!!!!Oh, the uncontrollable lust I feel!Edited to add: I'm probably going to Hell. Edited January 30, 2012 by MorningStar
LeSellers Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 (edited) Ohhhhhhhh ........ Edelweiss! Edelweiss! EDELWEISS!!!!Oh, the uncontrollable lust I feel!Argumentum ad absurdium (or something like that).We're not talking about musicals. The Sound of Music was not a film version of a "romance novel", not even when it was The von Trapp Family Singers.Lehi Edited January 30, 2012 by LeSellers
asbestosman Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Sound of Music is a romance. I guess I'm going to have to go confess to the Bishop that I've watched porn having watched that movie. Oooh, I'm gonna reprimand my father. He likes that one (and is sometimes embarrassed to admit it since he told me most consider it a chick flick). I wonder if he watched it while he was a bishop? 1
asbestosman Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 The Sound of Music was not a film version of a "romance novel", not even when it was The von Trapp Family Singers.No True Scotsman (or something like that).You may choose to exclude The Sound of Music from Romance and Romance novels, but we are trying to explain that this stuff is not inherently evil even when it provokes our emotions (or at least my father's ).
MorningStar Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 Argumentum ad absurdium (or something like that).We're not talking about musicals. The Sound of Music was not a film version of a "romance novel", not even when it was The von Trapp Family Singers.LehiOk, so "romance" doesn't equal "erotic". When I say I like a romantic movie or book, it's something like Pride and Prejudice which has zero sex. I also liked the romance in Anne of Green Gables. No sex.
MorningStar Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 No True Scotsman (or something like that).You may choose to exclude The Sound of Music from Romance and Romance novels, but we are trying to explain that this stuff is not inherently evil even when it provokes our emotions (or at least my father's ).Yeah, your dad is gonna burn for that.
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