JDave Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Thank you.You seem to have understood the question, and I appreciate your thoughtful answer.You're welcome. I hope that talk by Elder Simmons helps out as well. I believe God will provide us with what we need to grow, progress, accept truth, and become like Him and our Savior Jesus Christ. But I also believe that the timeframe for that extends all the way from the pre-mortal existence through this life and then into our post-mortal existence. Don't worry about those who seem too dogmatic about exactly what we need to accomplish in this life or how all your problems will evaporate if only your faith was strong enough. I find that a person's level of dogmatism is generally inversely proportional to their real-world experience. 1
zerinus Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 (edited) Moroni 10:5 says "And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things."It doesn't say that you will know everything. It says that you will know the truth of all things. In other words, if you come across a doctrine, a teaching, a theory, a theology, an interpretation etc. that is new, or that you are not sure about, you can know whether it is true or not by the power of the Holy Ghost, in the same way that you can know the truth of the Book of Mormon by the power of the Holy Ghost. For xample, the theory of Evolution has been much discussed in the forum lately. You can know if it is true or not by the power of the Holy Ghost--or the truth of anything else for that matter, that is controversial in that way.Does "ye" mean everyone?Yes, everyone who has, or can have the Holy Ghost.Does "all things" mean anything?The truth of all things, yes. See above.Is it saying that anyone who can't see or understand some truth is responsible for their limitation?That is a misunderstanding of the quote. See above.Does this mean that there are no medical or mental conditions that could keep someone from understanding the Bible, The BOM, the D&C, and The POGP?P.S. My dad had a stroke a little over a year ago, he has a shunt in his head, he sometimes thinks I'm his brother, and he thinks it would be a sin for him to visit the Mormon Church (and told me with tears in his eyes that he doesn't want any sins on his soul.)Again, see above. You are reading more into that verse than it teaches.PS. There are other scriptures that teach that we may eventually come to know all things, e.g.:D&C 93:28 He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things.But that is more of a long term goal. What Mroni was talking about was what is possible here and now. Edited January 24, 2012 by zerinus
thesometimesaint Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Jesus the Christ suffered in all things that he may succur his people. There is no condemnation in the suffering just in how we react to it.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Is mental illness a moral defect?If someone is deeply depressed (even suicidal), is it because they haven't been seeking God with singleness of heart?If they can't remember what real joy is, is it because they're not open to The Holy Spirit?Are any of our feelings caused by biochemical factors beyond our control?If there are times when we can't seem to feel anything, could that have some biochemical cause?If the answer to any of these questions is "yes," why does God allow these emotional handicaps to befall His people (or are His people immune, and is suffering from such a handicap evidence that the sufferer isn't one of God's people)?No it is not...mental illness can lead to depression. But depression can be for a number of reasons.
thesometimesaint Posted January 24, 2012 Posted January 24, 2012 Pa Pa:While everyone gets the blues. Clinical Depression is a type of mental illness.
Kenngo1969 Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Hey, Zerinus,What about Paul and his "thorn in the flesh" that he "besought the Lord thrice" to remove? Was he simply not faithful enough?
Senator Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 Hey, Zerinus,What about Paul and his "thorn in the flesh" that he "besought the Lord thrice" to remove? Was he simply not faithful enough?See Z's post #56.He simply didn't have faith to be healed. There's a a suggested difference.
thesometimesaint Posted January 25, 2012 Posted January 25, 2012 (edited) While I believe that Jesus knew what he was about. I also believe at times he felt pretty misable. IE; It was a plantive plea "Will you also go away"? Edited January 25, 2012 by thesometimesaint
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