Tune Of "Praise To The Man" = Scotland The Brave

[Stargazer]

I am slightly interested in bagpipes (at least, listening to them), and just now I happened to be listening to a rendition of Scotland the Brave on bagpipes and distinctly heard large portions of the tune we sing when singing the hymn Praise to the Man.

Thought it was cool, that's all.

A traditional version of Scotland the Brave:

MoTab singing Praise to the Man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T89AAzwMJ84

[volgadon]

Actually, Scotland the brave and Praise to the Man use the same tune, which was independent of both.

[Stargazer]

Actually, Scotland the brave and Praise to the Man use the same tune, which was independent of both.

You're saying that the tune in question was independently invented? Sure, why not? There are only so many notes in the scale, after all.

[Calm]

No, I think he meant the music was around at least a hundred years before the lyrics were added and the combo became known as Scotland the Brave. Considering the popularity of the song, I think it's most likely the author of the Praise to the Man (add-on: or rather the person who changed the tune from the original one) was familiar with the tune through Scotland the Brave, but music history isn't my speciality, I am only guessing.

Addon: http://mormonchannel.org/programs/history-of-hymns-episode-4?lang=eng

Edited November 12, 2011 by calmoriah

[kolipoki09]

"Praise to the Man" was originally sung to the tune of "Star in the East," but was later changed to honor Phelps' Scottish heritage by using an adapted version based largely but not exclusively on "Scotland the Brave." I'm a bagpiper myself, and "Star in the East" in my opinion, does the lyrics of the song justice - it's a funeral march. Now it's come to mean something quasi-patriotic for Latter-day Saints which may have advantages or disadvantages, depending on whom you speak with. The pipes have become an annoyance for the various street screechers in Nauvoo and at General Conference. At a particularly vocal anti-Mormon website that Volgadon and I have both interacted on in the past, various individuals have expressed their utter hatred for pipers who drown out their screeching

[Calm]

Beautiful, k

[Kenngo1969]

"Praise to the Man" was originally sung to the tune of "Star in the East," but was later changed to honor Phelps' Scottish heritage by using an adapted version based largely but not exclusively on "Scotland the Brave." I'm a bagpiper myself, and "Star in the East" in my opinion, does the lyrics of the song justice - it's a funeral march. Now it's come to mean something quasi-patriotic for Latter-day Saints which may have advantages or disadvantages, depending on whom you speak with. The pipes have become an annoyance for the various street screechers in Nauvoo and at General Conference. At a particularly vocal anti-Mormon website that Volgadon and I have both interacted on in the past, various individuals have expressed their utter hatred for pipers who drown out their screeching

Huh. Real men do wear kilts, after all! Whodathunk?!

[Stargazer]

"Praise to the Man" was originally sung to the tune of "Star in the East," but was later changed to honor Phelps' Scottish heritage by using an adapted version based largely but not exclusively on "Scotland the Brave." I'm a bagpiper myself, and "Star in the East" in my opinion, does the lyrics of the song justice - it's a funeral march. Now it's come to mean something quasi-patriotic for Latter-day Saints which may have advantages or disadvantages, depending on whom you speak with. The pipes have become an annoyance for the various street screechers in Nauvoo and at General Conference. At a particularly vocal anti-Mormon website that Volgadon and I have both interacted on in the past, various individuals have expressed their utter hatred for pipers who drown out their screeching

I'm ecstatic about this for some reason! The pipes can be used as a defensive weapon, after all! Far out! I may find this to be the inspiration to learn how to play them, and then come to SLC twice a year to do something truly useful! I wonder how many LDS hymns have been set to pipe music? I probably also need to find out what the church's tartan is, and then make sure I have kilts in it. Must be dressed appropriately, you know. It might be wise to lose the claymore, however. Not sure if you would need a permit for that, and perhaps it would be a little too menacing. Wouldn't want to scare the screechers too much. My pale white legs in kilts would likely be scary enough.

But seriously, I was intrigued by the music history, kolipoki09. I really like "Star in the East"; first time I've ever heard it.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

I am slightly interested in bagpipes (at least, listening to them), and just now I happened to be listening to a rendition of Scotland the Brave on bagpipes and distinctly heard large portions of the tune we sing when singing the hymn Praise to the Man.

Thought it was cool, that's all.

A traditional version of Scotland the Brave:

MoTab singing Praise to the Man:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T89AAzwMJ84

It was not uncommon to do such things in that day...I believe W.W. Phelps did it more than once; he of course being the one who wrote the song "Praise to the man". One of our anthems borrowed it music from "God save the King" if I am not mistaken.

[Mansquatch]

"My Country 'Tis of Thee" is sung to the "God Save the King" tune. And "The Star Spangled Banner" tune is an old drinking song called "To Anacreon in Heaven"

[KevinG]

Setting hymns to traditional tunes is a historical practice.

The first hymn book assembled by Emma Smith was a collection of hymn texts without musical notation.

If you want to see which tunes are traditional melodies and which are original check the index of the hymn book. There is a section called Titles, Tunes and Meters. http://lds.org/cm/catalogtitlestunesmeters/1,18296,4788-1-1,00.html

[volgadon]

I wonder how many LDS hymns have been set to pipe music?

Lots of music has been played on pipes, even CCR.

I realise though that this isn't what you were asking.

I don't know of any other LDS hymns set to the classic corpus of pipe tunes, such as these.

[volgadon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIg6sk0Pscw&feature=related

[volgadon]

[David T]

If you go here, you can listen to a preview of Fiddlesticks' rendition of the Nauvoo "Star in the East" setting of Praise to the Man. It's my favorite version.

[kolipoki09]

If you go here, you can listen to a preview of Fiddlesticks' rendition of the Nauvoo "Star in the East" setting of Praise to the Man. It's my favorite version.

Thank you! I was looking for that particular version, but was unable to find anything other than this dreadfully awful version that I was initially reluctant to post.

For some, no amount of voice lessons can fix the painfully obvious.

I realize however, that others may disagree. I welcome that disagreement.

[jcake]

My favorite old Celtic folk melody, that is used for one of our LDS hymns, is "Star of the County Down" which is our "Ye All High to Kolob".

Here is a version done by a Serbian Band. I wish they would sing the LDS lyrics. Then we would have an LDS Hymn sung to a Celtic folk tune by a Serbian band. Which, somehow appeals very strongly to me.

[volgadon]

Gilderoy, which is a 17th c. Scottish tune that became far more popular in England than anywhere else. It was used for Dives and Lazarus, a retelling of Christ's parable. Star of the County Down is a latecomer in all this.

Edited November 28, 2011 by volgadon

[KevinG]

Here is my favorite treatment of "Dives and Lazarus" appropriately anough by the BYU Chamber Orchestra

I have a few recordings of this Vaughan Williams arrangement - my favorite is done by the Academy of St. Martin in the Fields.