Obiwan Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 I think the people who tend to go to the Temple are "upper class" in quality, such as in behaviors, for they tend to have their lives in order in other areas of life, thus I would think that the likelihood of spreading "communicable disease" there would actually be "lower" compared to most other areas of life that every kind of person has access to.
Duncan Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 I think the people who tend to go to the Temple are "upper class" in quality, such as in behaviors, for they tend to have their lives in order in other areas of life, thus I would think that the likelihood of spreading "communicable disease" there would actually be "lower" compared to most other areas of life that every kind of person has access to.Whoa, say what now?
Deborah Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Whoa, say what now?That was my reaction. I think the better point isn't about class but rather both the practical and spiritual teachings that may make members more aware of these things, regardless of what "class" a person is in. I understood what Obiwan was saying but disagree with the wording. And even so, there are always exceptions. And btw there probably isn't a cleaner place on earth than the temple. I was on a cleaning crew for our little temple in Omaha. We had a list 3 pages long just for cleaning the bathrooms.
USU78 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Are you telling a whopper to make a point?Cause, if you are, I'm not sure what we're trying to "not get confused" about. You've actually confused me.No, Newbie, this is not a 'whopper.' The former head of the CDC is my neighbor. He's happily willing to share his experiences, though he's now in his retirement years. Certain things like sharing the communion cup, casual contact at Church and whatnot are not going to make people sick. Better to focus on common sense things like washing your hands, covering your mouth when you cough/sneeze, using a handkerchief/tissue, and such than keeping people home from the Temple or Church when this year's crop of colds/flus come out of China and give us each a week or so of misery. There are 51 other weeks in the year. They tend to be pretty good.It's a silly whopper that we need to be closing Temples as though they were bathhouses.Let's not get confused about that.
kolipoki09 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 It's a silly whopper that we need to be closing Temples as though they were bathhouses.Let's not get confused about that.Bathhouses...as opposed to basements?
Senator Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Whoa, say what now?Yeah, better to just get out of the way and let that one go!!!!.... kind of like an unobstructed sneeze.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 I think the people who tend to go to the Temple are "upper class" in quality, such as in behaviors, for they tend to have their lives in order in other areas of life, thus I would think that the likelihood of spreading "communicable disease" there would actually be "lower" compared to most other areas of life that every kind of person has access to.Watch yourself...2 Nephi 28:13They rob the poor because of their fine sanctuaries; they rob the poor because of their fine clothing; and they persecute the meek and the poor in heart, because in their pride they are puffed up."Upper class" people can spread the flu, a cold , etc... just as easily as "lower class" people.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Does grocery shopping contribute to the spread of communicable diseases? What about going to the doctors office?Good point, I am telling my wife I am not going with her anymore.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 I think the people who tend to go to the Temple are "upper class" in quality, such as in behaviors, for they tend to have their lives in order in other areas of life, thus I would think that the likelihood of spreading "communicable disease" there would actually be "lower" compared to most other areas of life that every kind of person has access to.Cool...I have always wanted to be "upper class".
LDS Guy 1986 Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 Additionally, it would also be interesting if anyone had information about other data on actual or perceived dangers of the spread of communicable disease associated with religious activities of any kind.I don't come here often, but knowing that many folks here are quite well read, both on all things Mormon and many other topics related to religion and spirituality, this seemed like a good place to ask this question.I would appreciate any thoughts, anecdotes, or resources you might be willing to share.Thanks.I feel that the Church would take necessary precautions thought I have seen temple workers at the temple with a cold. I was at the Temple last night doing baptisms and I wondered how frequently they change the water in the baptismal font though, that water is nice and warm and I am sure it could get really infested with germs and stuff it it isn't changed regularly. We were talking about that last night, if they just filtered the water on a constant cycle or if it was drained and refilled on a regular basis.
BookofMormonLuvr Posted March 4, 2011 Posted March 4, 2011 I feel that the Church would take necessary precautions thought I have seen temple workers at the temple with a cold. I was at the Temple last night doing baptisms and I wondered how frequently they change the water in the baptismal font though, that water is nice and warm and I am sure it could get really infested with germs and stuff it it isn't changed regularly. We were talking about that last night, if they just filtered the water on a constant cycle or if it was drained and refilled on a regular basis.It has always been my understanding that the water in the temple fonts is continually being cycled through some type of filtering system.
Duncan Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 It has always been my understanding that the water in the temple fonts is continually being cycled through some type of filtering system.I have seen one of the Temple Pres. pour and I mean pour some kind of cleaning solution into the font before anyone did baptisms so at least for that day the water was CLEAN!
BookofMormonLuvr Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 I have seen one of the Temple Pres. pour and I mean pour some kind of cleaning solution into the font before anyone did baptisms so at least for that day the water was CLEAN!I remember it smelling very chlorinated when I did BFTD as a kid in the Portland, OR Temple.
Obiwan Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 Guys.... If you had read and understood "beyond" my usage of the word "class", you would have realized that I wasn't talking about "social or financial classes". I was talking about behaviors.Take myself.... I've been poor my whole life, but I don't LIVE poor. Meaning all the other areas of my life have generally been in a higher quality order. Or another way, I never went on a mission, but I don't generally "act" like I never did. Most people think I have been on a mission given my "character". I'm talking quality of character and behaviors, not financial classes.
Obiwan Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 Watch yourself..."Upper class" people can spread the flu, a cold , etc... just as easily as "lower class" people.The particular "class" of people I'm speaking of are people who tend to be more "clean" then "everyone" who goes to say the grocery store. My ultimate point was that the claim was made that those who go to the Temple would be "more likely" to spread disease, so I was showing that if anything, they would be actually much less likely to spread disease, because Temple goers tend to live cleaner lives in all respects, both in their environments and by their behaviors. They don't have high risk sex, they tend to have clean homes, they tend to associate with other "clean" people, etc. etc. etc. As well as someone else mentioned that the Temple itself is likely the cleanest place on the earth.You guys get the point yet? Man, talk about "reactionary thinking and judgment". Think before you judge peoples words folks.
paulpatter Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 . . . One of the things I was hoping to get at, however, was whether many of these precautions taken by the temple are because some leader or leaders acted pro-actively, imagining that problems could come up if they didn't do these things, or if they were done as a response to concerns of patrons or a response to some other stimuli. I think that's a laudable objective--one that went right over my head. I'm sorry if I came across too aggressively.
Duncan Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 Andrew, If you want to get a more official answer I would suggest writing to the Temple Dept. and see what they say. I know for me I can only give you what I know from going to the one Temple we have out in this part of the Wilds of Canada
Garden Girl Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 As an ordinance worker, for six years, every Friday, I made the trip into Portland, OR to work in the Portland temple. Based on my knowledge of the contact with patrons during various activities, the likelihood of passing a communicable disease is minimal.In addition, we workers took precautions by washing our hands often with the gel. If we were sick with a cold, etc., we did not attend.Our assignments were for every half-hour... including the cleaning of the bathrooms, i.e., putting on gloves, wiping down the counters/sinks/mirrors, emptying trash bins, replacing paper products, etc etc... so a worker cleaned the bathrooms every half hour.The temple is probably less likely to be a place where germs are spread than many other public areas or activities involving large numbers of people.I never got sick from the temple in the six years I served...from the beach... GG
Obiwan Posted March 5, 2011 Posted March 5, 2011 The temple is probably less likely to be a place where germs are spread than many other public areas or activities involving large numbers of people.Exactly my point.... Thank you Garden Girl.
LDS Guy 1986 Posted March 6, 2011 Posted March 6, 2011 I remember it smelling very chlorinated when I did BFTD as a kid in the Portland, OR Temple.It is very chlorinated, smells like a swimming pool
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