Mark Beesley Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 So where Brigham Young told us that blacks would be slaves in heaven do we accept that as doctrine because a prophet of God said it?CFROf how about when it was taught by apostles that a wife can only enter Celestial Glory if her husband lets her?CFRI provide references for my assertions. It is time you begin doing the same.
ERMD Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 I think we might have a troll incognito.... And everyone needs to quit feeding him.
Mark Beesley Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 I love you brother but if you don't read what I say I can't discuss things with you. Your continued refusal to show scripture that says Christ is immortal from birth is now taken by me to be an admission on your behalf that there is no scripture.In one of my earlier posts, I stated that Christ inherited mortality from His mother and immortlaity from His Father. In that same post I stated that I believed it may be a misnomer to say that Christ was immortal because He was still able to die, which is the opposite of being immortal. It is perhaps more accurate to state, what I have been saying since then, that Christ inherited power over death from His Father, and He had this power at birth.Bruce R. McConkie, discussing John 10:17-18, wrote:To play his part in this eternal plan of the Father, the chosen sacrificial Lamb needed a dual inheritance
Mark Beesley Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 And everyone needs to quit feeding him.I don't think he is a troll. I think he has misunderstood transfiguration because of some of the language Mormon used in describing the change the Three Nephites underwent. It remains to be seen whether or not he is teachable.
WalkerW Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 And everyone needs to quit feeding him.I approve this message.
WalkerW Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 Modern revelation says that "no man has seen God at any time in the flesh, except quickened by the Spirit of God" (D&C 67:11). Soon after Moses' call, for example, he was transfigured so that he could withstand God's power; he later wrote: "His glory was upon me; and I beheld his face, for I was transfigured before him" (Moses 1:11). After God's spirit withdrew, Moses returned to his normal mortal condition and testified that he had beheld God with his own eyes, not however with his natural but with his spiritual or transfigured eyes. He explained that his "natural eyes could not have beheld; for I should have withered and died in [God's] presence" (Moses 1:10-11).Notice how well this goes with the Sinai imagery I noted in Matthew. Jesus' authority over death (or His ability to triumph over death) has more to do with Him being Yahweh incarnate, fulfilling the role of the Messiah. The claims of Matthew and Luke regarding His "virgin birth" would have invoked the idea of divinity in the minds of the ancients. In the Greco-Roman world, this claim quite possibly could have been a challenge to the "virgin births" (there mother was a Vestal Virgin who conceived in some tellings with Mars) of Romulus and Remus: a new Lord and new empire had come.
Mark Beesley Posted February 22, 2011 Posted February 22, 2011 In other thread, LDS Guy made a comment about things the aposles and prophets that are printed in the Ensign being scriptures.So, in the spirit of accepting as scripture the words of the modern apostles and prohets, I offer the following in support of the argument that Christ inherited, at birth, the power of immortality: Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers (see John 10:17
Calm Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 You accused me of one thing and then after (separate sentence) asked if you are missing something. This is an accusation (a false one to boot) followed by a question to correct your false accusation which I did.I did not mean it that way, sorry for the misunderstanding.
Calm Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 I am sure the seasoned scholars at FAIRS wouldn't make such an elementary mistake and let is go uncorrected, they are scholars and would correct such mistakes to save there credibility. Having been one of those "seasoned scholars at FAIRS", I can assure you that elementary mistakes are made all the time. The reason there are (hopefully) few in view is that readers are kind enough to point out mistakes when they come across them.
Mark Beesley Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 Having been one of those "seasoned scholars at FAIRS", I can assure you that elementary mistakes are made all the time. The reason there are (hopefully) few in view is that readers are kind enough to point out mistakes when they come across them.LDS Guy is relying on a quote in a FAIRwiki article about Angels, found here. It doesn't appear that the FAIR editors were attempting to address the final state of translated beings, i.e. whether or not they would have to "die" at some point in order to enjoy the full benefits of resurrection.
Calm Posted February 23, 2011 Posted February 23, 2011 LDS Guy is relying on a quote in a FAIRwiki article about Angels, found here. It doesn't appear that the FAIR editors were attempting to address the final state of translated beings, i.e. whether or not they would have to "die" at some point in order to enjoy the full benefits of resurrection.I agree. I have asked for clarification, but it may take awhile since it is not identified who wrote that specific part of the entry.
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