Pure Blood lines?

[LDS Guy 1986]

To your surprise I am not white. My name should clue you in! You are the first one that claims Jesus was brown. Wow, then he was my color. Israel is the Chosen race whether you believe it or not. Yes, We are all God's children and he loves us but one race was chosen above all, Israel. Who had the Gospel from Noah all the way until the apostasy? Israel. By Israel's rebellion it gave way to the Gentiles to receive the gospel. The Gentiles have the gospel right now and when the times of the Gentiles ends then the gospel will go back to Israel. Zion is not established as you claim. Please read 3 Nephi 21. Christ gives us the signs of the gathering. We are only in the first phase right now. The first sign is already happening according to Christ. The Lamanites are receiving the BOM from the Gentiles and are learning who they really are. The next sign has happened yet. So we are only in the beginning phase. Israel is not gathering right now. As far as mixing goes, yes there is a lot of mixing that has taekn place at least I admit that. You cannot admit that someone can be of a pure bloodline. Israel is God's chosen people and the Gentiles that believe and endure to the end will be adopted into Israel.

Kathrine was misspoken about your race, but you are by your own admission a blatant racist. Let's see what scriptures have to say about racism!

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

I am sorry but the word of god say there is no such thing as race in his eyes, we are all ONE!

God cares not about race, nationality, sex, or any other stupid thing that bigots use to justify there vile hatred and views of supremacy.

God cares about your heart and if you believe what you speak you heart is black as coal in the eyes of God for you follow not after him but after the great deceiver.

[Zakuska]

Kathrine was misspoken about your race, but you are by your own admission a blatant racist. Let's see what scriptures have to say about racism!

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." (Galatians 3:28)

I am sorry but the word of god say there is no such thing as race in his eyes, we are all ONE!

God cares not about race, nationality, sex, or any other stupid thing that bigots use to justify there vile hatred and views of supremacy.

God cares about your heart and if you believe what you speak you heart is black as coal in the eyes of God for you follow not after him but after the great deceiver.

I think Paul puts the question to rest here...

Acts 17

25 Neither is worshipped with men

[katherine the great]

To your surprise I am not white. My name should clue you in! You are the first one that claims Jesus was brown. Wow, then he was my color. Israel is the Chosen race whether you believe it or not. Yes, We are all God's children and he loves us but one race was chosen above all, Israel. Who had the Gospel from Noah all the way until the apostasy? Israel. By Israel's rebellion it gave way to the Gentiles to receive the gospel. The Gentiles have the gospel right now and when the times of the Gentiles ends then the gospel will go back to Israel. Zion is not established as you claim. Please read 3 Nephi 21. Christ gives us the signs of the gathering. We are only in the first phase right now. The first sign is already happening according to Christ. The Lamanites are receiving the BOM from the Gentiles and are learning who they really are. The next sign has happened yet. So we are only in the beginning phase. Israel is not gathering right now. As far as mixing goes, yes there is a lot of mixing that has taekn place at least I admit that. You cannot admit that someone can be of a pure bloodline. Israel is God's chosen people and the Gentiles that believe and endure to the end will be adopted into Israel.

How should your name "clue me in" that you are not white? Whatever color your skin is, your posts are extremely racist and your understanding of God's purposes are very immature. It was Christ's atonement and fulfillment of the old covenant that paved the way for God's covenant to extend to all nations, not Israel's rebellion. Again I will say that there is no such thing as a "pure" bloodline. Every ethnic group has a variety of Y chromosome and mt DNA haplogroups. Some have fewer than others, but every group has more than one of each and has a diverse gene pool.

[Duncan]

To your surprise I am not white. My name should clue you in! You are the first one that claims Jesus was brown. Wow, then he was my color. Israel is the Chosen race whether you believe it or not. Yes, We are all God's children and he loves us but one race was chosen above all, Israel. Who had the Gospel from Noah all the way until the apostasy? Israel. By Israel's rebellion it gave way to the Gentiles to receive the gospel. The Gentiles have the gospel right now and when the times of the Gentiles ends then the gospel will go back to Israel. Zion is not established as you claim. Please read 3 Nephi 21. Christ gives us the signs of the gathering. We are only in the first phase right now. The first sign is already happening according to Christ. The Lamanites are receiving the BOM from the Gentiles and are learning who they really are. The next sign has happened yet. So we are only in the beginning phase. Israel is not gathering right now. As far as mixing goes, yes there is a lot of mixing that has taekn place at least I admit that. You cannot admit that someone can be of a pure bloodline. Israel is God's chosen people and the Gentiles that believe and endure to the end will be adopted into Israel.

I didn't get your name thing either! I thought you might work for a flashlight company or something!

[Calm]

To your surprise I am not white. My name should clue you in! You are the first one that claims Jesus was brown. Wow, then he was my color. Israel is the Chosen race whether you believe it or not. Yes, We are all God's children and he loves us but one race was chosen above all, Israel. Who had the Gospel from Noah all the way until the apostasy? Israel. By Israel's rebellion it gave way to the Gentiles to receive the gospel. The Gentiles have the gospel right now and when the times of the Gentiles ends then the gospel will go back to Israel. Zion is not established as you claim. Please read 3 Nephi 21. Christ gives us the signs of the gathering. We are only in the first phase right now. The first sign is already happening according to Christ. The Lamanites are receiving the BOM from the Gentiles and are learning who they really are. The next sign has happened yet. So we are only in the beginning phase. Israel is not gathering right now. As far as mixing goes, yes there is a lot of mixing that has taekn place at least I admit that. You cannot admit that someone can be of a pure bloodline. Israel is God's chosen people and the Gentiles that believe and endure to the end will be adopted into Israel.

It might be helpful if we understood specifically what you meant by a pure bloodline genetically speaking. IOW, if one took a sample of someone's blood, could they tell they were of a pure bloodline or not and if they could, how could they? I would very much appreciate learning how you would go about doing this. This is the third time I've asked because I am curious, my question is not a rhetorical one nor am I assuming there is no way to do it. I am assuming you have something specifically in mind about what pure blood is physically speaking (as opposed to spiritually speaking) and I would like to learn what you believe about the subject.

[Hannah Rebekah]

Ugh. I will leave you to your white supremacy, racist views as it is useless to try to reason with you. You don't want to know that truth. You only want to believe that white people are better than dark people. I think you will be extremely surprised when you get to the afterlife and learn that Jesus was, indeed a brown skinned man in this life, and you know what? It doesn't MATTER. God does not care about the color of our skin. It is a non issue.

I don't believe that "white skin" necessarily represents the "pure blood" line. "Skin" was many times used in scripture as a metaphor for garments, such as when the Lord made a covering for Adam and Eve out of animal skins....garments."White" is a metaphor for righteousness. I believe someone has pointed that out and no one bothered to acknowledge his valid point. But all that aside, I still believe that there are bloodlines that are blessed by God and watched over by him that may be considered "pure bloodlines" in the sense of being "blessed," "sacred," "chosen," "special" and may even include "pure" in the most strict definition. "With God all things are possible." How that purity is measured by him is anyone's guess as can be seen from the responses thus far. It seems to me that we are left to decide this issue on our own like many other "non official" LDS beliefs. And that's okay, we are all free to decide and there is nothing wrong with that. It does not affect our relationship with the Savior or his saving atonement and our salvation. So I see no harm in others who views are different than mine no matter where they land, from one extreme to the other or somewhere in between. So to call names and mock is not in that spirit of the gospel to let each person decide for themselves how they view certain issues that have not been firmly set through established doctrine. And we all know this issue is not set in stone or is Mormon Doctrine.

IMO there are hints that there are certain blood lines that are "blessed" and if that means "pure" then so be it. So maybe, the argument would be best defined (like some have said) in what is meant by "pure" and whether God has the means to do exactly that. I happen to believe he has blessed certain bloodlines in their purity and has watched over them through the ages for his own purposes. Others are blessed through the mingling of the blessed blood as it has spread throughout the families of this earth and others are adopted into that blessed bloodline with all of the blessings that come with it. And one of those blessings are in how our hearts are blessed to become a righteous, serving people who are dedicated through covenants to build the Kingdom of God and to spread his gospel. It is the believing blood. The blood of Abraham being dispersed throughout all the earth.

There ARE examples in scripture and history of the importance of the "bloodline" and its "purity."

The Levites had to prove through geneology records that they were true descendants from Aaron to be priests. Scientists have discovered that members of the Jewish Levite priesthood, "are [genetically] part of an unbroken line extending back thousands of years....Scientist who studied the Y chromosome in modernday Cohanim [Jewish priest] reported evidence that the designation truly has been passed from father to son." (Malcoln Ritter, "Jewish Priesthood Is Inheirted, Scientists Confirm," Salt Lake Tribune, 11 July 1998, Ritter quotes Nature magazine and researcher David Goldstein of Oxford University).

Those who were of the tribe of Judah were blessed with the sceptre and the right to rule. This royal bloodline passed from Judah through King David to Christ and I see no reason for the end of that royal bloodline after Christ the same as we know God still speaks to man in our time.

In the LDS Church the Church Patriarch was through a bloodline succession which came through Joseph Smith's family. If I'm not mistaken this office will be filled again in the last days.

There are numerous accounts of genealogical links between the royal lineage of the Savior to living Latter-day Saints of the early Church and the D&C makes reference to this fact. If "pure" means, "blessed" "sacred," "chosen," "special," then so be it. I see no reason to back away from the belief in a "pure bloodline" even if that means "pure" in the sense of no mingling at any time of "un-pure" blood literally. But there are many who seem to shy away from it for whatever reason. Maybe science has not proven it, (YET) but we all know that science is ever changing. Or maybe its because of our critics. It would seem that our critics have studied our early leaders and some seem to know more about what they have said in regards to the issue of "bloodline" than what many LDS understand. See here: http://www.emnr.org/papers/jesusmarry.htm

It would also seem that modern day political correctness has entered into these types of discussions and this could explain the reluctance by some to entertain any of these views. Maybe this will help to explain this dynamic:

"There are those who find this presumptuous at best and sinister at worse. Most left-leaning and liberal Mormons find any discussion of a "special" or "chosen" bloodline repugnant and dangerous." (Salt Lake Sunstone Symposium, August 2004) They believe it will lead to a "master-race" syndrome of racial superiority. They see a waning of bloodline and chosen-race rhetoric as the chief reason for the proclamation of 1978 reguarding the Blacks and in the demise of the LDS Church Patriarch's office. It is at variance with Mormon tribalism, as given in patriarchal blessings. The idea of blood, ancestral inheritance, genealogy, and bloodlines is noted in scripture in almost every chapter. It is particularly evident in the statement of Joseph Smith, and the early Church leaders..." (Vern Grosvenor Swanson, Dynasty of the Holy Grail, Mormonism's Sacred Bloodline, pg 368.)

IMO, a special or pure "bloodline" (at least as far as we are concerned) has more to do with being called to serve than being superior or a ruler over men. Christ being the only true ruler. I think I tend to lean towards what the early Church leaders taught, while at the same time I hold to our modern Prophet and his council and teachings and sustain him in all ways.

[volgadon]

There ARE examples in scripture and history of the importance of the "bloodline" and its "purity."

The Levites had to prove through geneology records that they were true descendants from Aaron to be priests. Scientists have discovered that members of the Jewish Levite priesthood, "are [genetically] part of an unbroken line extending back thousands of years....Scientist who studied the Y chromosome in modernday Cohanim [Jewish priest] reported evidence that the designation truly has been passed from father to son." (Malcoln Ritter, "Jewish Priesthood Is Inheirted, Scientists Confirm," Salt Lake Tribune, 11 July 1998, Ritter quotes Nature magazine and researcher David Goldstein of Oxford University).

Yet only the father had to be shown a descendent of Aaron for the son to be considered a priest.

[katherine the great]

So to call names and mock is not in that spirit of the gospel to let each person decide for themselves how they view certain issues that have not been firmly set through established doctrine. And we all know this issue is not set in stone or is Mormon Doctrine.

I don't generally engage in name calling. I called Brightpath's views racist and incorrect which they are. Bloodlines are part of the carnal law because they deal with who we physically are. There is absolutely no place for them in Christianity. Christ fulfilled the carnal law and now all are welcome in the kingdom. We are living a greater spiritual law--not a carnal law. I disagree with you that God places any stock, whatsoever in bloodlines in our time. Good heavens, look at the stories of European royalty. What a mess their system was! Considering someone a proper leader because of their birth and not their merit does not lead to good leadership. Everyone is welcome in God's kingdom now: Black and white, bond and free, male and female. Blood sacrifice is no longer required, but a broken heart and contrite spirit (again, spiritual things.) Ideas of special "bloodlines" are a relic of antiquity and have caused nothing but divisiveness and evil in the modern world. Perhaps the early prophets of the restoration pondered them because it was a different time and place, but our modern prophets clearly do not.

[katherine the great]

The Levites had to prove through geneology records that they were true descendants from Aaron to be priests. Scientists have discovered that members of the Jewish Levite priesthood, "are [genetically] part of an unbroken line extending back thousands of years....Scientist who studied the Y chromosome in modernday Cohanim [Jewish priest] reported evidence that the designation truly has been passed from father to son." (Malcoln Ritter, "Jewish Priesthood Is Inheirted, Scientists Confirm," Salt Lake Tribune, 11 July 1998, Ritter quotes Nature magazine and researcher David Goldstein of Oxford University).

This is somewhat misleading. SOME of the Cohens are shown to share in the haplogroup (J) that is thought to be priestly. They are FAR from exclusive. It just occurs in a greater frequency among Cohens than other Jewish surnames but other haplogroups appear among Cohens proving an unbroken line to some other man. J is actually all over the place--Spain, Portugal, the Middle East, even among the Samaritans who were banned from rebuilding the temple.

[LDS Guy 1986]

I don't believe that "white skin" necessarily represents the "pure blood" line. "Skin" was many times used in scripture as a metaphor for garments, such as when the Lord made a covering for Adam and Eve out of animal skins....garments."White" is a metaphor for righteousness. I believe someone has pointed that out and no one bothered to acknowledge his valid point. But all that aside, I still believe that there are bloodlines that are blessed by God and watched over by him that may be considered "pure bloodlines" in the sense of being "blessed," "sacred," "chosen," "special" and may even include "pure" in the most strict definition. "With God all things are possible." How that purity is measured by him is anyone's guess as can be seen from the responses thus far. It seems to me that we are left to decide this issue on our own like many other "non official" LDS beliefs. And that's okay, we are all free to decide and there is nothing wrong with that. It does not affect our relationship with the Savior or his saving atonement and our salvation. So I see no harm in others who views are different than mine no matter where they land, from one extreme to the other or somewhere in between. So to call names and mock is not in that spirit of the gospel to let each person decide for themselves how they view certain issues that have not been firmly set through established doctrine. And we all know this issue is not set in stone or is Mormon Doctrine.

IMO there are hints that there are certain blood lines that are "blessed" and if that means "pure" then so be it. So maybe, the argument would be best defined (like some have said) in what is meant by "pure" and whether God has the means to do exactly that. I happen to believe he has blessed certain bloodlines in their purity and has watched over them through the ages for his own purposes. Others are blessed through the mingling of the blessed blood as it has spread throughout the families of this earth and others are adopted into that blessed bloodline with all of the blessings that come with it. And one of those blessings are in how our hearts are blessed to become a righteous, serving people who are dedicated through covenants to build the Kingdom of God and to spread his gospel. It is the believing blood. The blood of Abraham being dispersed throughout all the earth.

There ARE examples in scripture and history of the importance of the "bloodline" and its "purity."

The Levites had to prove through geneology records that they were true descendants from Aaron to be priests. Scientists have discovered that members of the Jewish Levite priesthood, "are [genetically] part of an unbroken line extending back thousands of years....Scientist who studied the Y chromosome in modernday Cohanim [Jewish priest] reported evidence that the designation truly has been passed from father to son." (Malcoln Ritter, "Jewish Priesthood Is Inheirted, Scientists Confirm," Salt Lake Tribune, 11 July 1998, Ritter quotes Nature magazine and researcher David Goldstein of Oxford University).

Those who were of the tribe of Judah were blessed with the sceptre and the right to rule. This royal bloodline passed from Judah through King David to Christ and I see no reason for the end of that royal bloodline after Christ the same as we know God still speaks to man in our time.

In the LDS Church the Church Patriarch was through a bloodline succession which came through Joseph Smith's family. If I'm not mistaken this office will be filled again in the last days.

There are numerous accounts of genealogical links between the royal lineage of the Savior to living Latter-day Saints of the early Church and the D&C makes reference to this fact. If "pure" means, "blessed" "sacred," "chosen," "special," then so be it. I see no reason to back away from the belief in a "pure bloodline" even if that means "pure" in the sense of no mingling at any time of "un-pure" blood literally. But there are many who seem to shy away from it for whatever reason. Maybe science has not proven it, (YET) but we all know that science is ever changing. Or maybe its because of our critics. It would seem that our critics have studied our early leaders and some seem to know more about what they have said in regards to the issue of "bloodline" than what many LDS understand. See here: http://www.emnr.org/papers/jesusmarry.htm

It would also seem that modern day political correctness has entered into these types of discussions and this could explain the reluctance by some to entertain any of these views. Maybe this will help to explain this dynamic:

IMO, a special or pure "bloodline" (at least as far as we are concerned) has more to do with being called to serve than being superior or a ruler over men. Christ being the only true ruler. I think I tend to lean towards what the early Church leaders taught, while at the same time I hold to our modern Prophet and his council and teachings and sustain him in all ways.

Yes, but if this was still the case only the desensants of Aaron can hold the Aaronic Priesthood today. God has used bloodlines in the past but they are not pure or blessed. They are simply his servants, the bloodline of David or Aaron is no better than any other bloodline. They simply are chosen of God nothing more than that.

For these arguments to hold any water one must ignore that God is not a respector of persons. The Bible states we are equal in God's eyes, no one or no bloodline is better than the other in God's eyes. We are all the same, we are all his children and he loves us equally.

The line of Aaron and David are just lines from which God called servants. Now he calls all worthy men to hold his priesthood, blood has nothing to do with it. If we have no Hebrew blood than we join the liniage of Abraham by adoption when we are baptized.

Blood has no impact at all, it never did in the first place, IMO

[Hannah Rebekah]

I don't generally engage in name calling. I called Brightpath's views racist and incorrect which they are.

I on the other hand did not find his views racist, even if I did not totally agree with him. Personally, I find it heavy handed to use such a loaded term.

Bloodlines are part of the carnal law because they deal with who we physically are. There is absolutely no place for them in Christianity. Christ fulfilled the carnal law and now all are welcome in the kingdom. We are living a greater spiritual law--not a carnal law.

Where exactly does it say that our "blood lines are a part of the "carnal law" and there is absolutely no place for them in Christianity." Source Please. I guess I missed that lesson. The "carnal law" has to do with the end of sacrifice through the Law of Moses because it pointed to the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. No more need for the Law of Moses in that sense. If it true that there "there is absolutely no place for "bloodlines" (lineage) in Christianity (Mormonism) then I suppose what you are saying is that that our Patriarchal Blessings that declare ones lineage is utterly worthless. Or even that there is no such thing as the "Lost Ten Tribes" who will be gathered. (see Articles of Faith, #10 - "We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes;" I'm pretty sure that both of these are still tenets in our religion.

I DO agree with you that we are living a greater spiritual law-not a carnal law. But just so you know, we are talking about apples (spiritual law) and oranges (lineage-bloodline) and both are compatible in the gospel, it

[Hannah Rebekah]

This is somewhat misleading. SOME of the Cohens are shown to share in the haplogroup (J) that is thought to be priestly. They are FAR from exclusive. It just occurs in a greater frequency among Cohens than other Jewish surnames but other haplogroups appear among Cohens proving an unbroken line to some other man. J is actually all over the place--Spain, Portugal, the Middle East, even among the Samaritans who were banned from rebuilding the temple.

And your point? We all know that the blood of Abraham and Israel is scattered throughout the earth. I can think of a few question to ask. Is there a larger concentration to be found in certain places? Since science changes all the time and DNA test has become more technical and precise since it inception then what will it tell us in ten year or twenty years from now?

I found the comments here and on other sites about Hebrew DNA to be very interesting.

DNA and Tradition: The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews

http://www.amazon.com/DNA-Tradition-Genetic-Ancient-Hebrews/dp/1932687130

Whether or not genetics is your forte, DNA & Tradition: The Genetic Link to the Ancient Hebrews has an element of interest for everyone. Professor Karl Skorecki says as much in the book's preface, when he quotes Albert Einstein: "If you can't explain something to your grandmother, then you probably don't really understand it."

With DNA and Tradition, Rabbi Yaakov Kleiman has written a book, if not for his grandmother, then for the scientifically challenged, like myself.

The premise is simple enough. If all kohanim descended from Aaron, the first high priest of Israel, then they should share certain genetic traits.

From there it becomes more technical. A sampling of Jewish males from Israel, England, and North America were asked to contribute cheek cells in order to extract their DNA. From that study, 98.5 percent of the kohanim tested were found to have the YAP (Y-chromosome Alu Polymorphism) marker.

In a second study, scientists collected more DNA samples and expanded their selection of Y-chromosome markers. Confirming their hypothesis, they discovered that a particular array of six chromosome markers was found in 97 of 106 kohanim tested. The odds against this happening by chance are less than 1 in 10,000.

This set of markers is now known as the Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH). In Skorecki's words, "the simplest, most straightforward explanation is that these men have the Y-chromosome of Aaron. The study suggests that a 3,000-year-old tradition is correct and has a biological counterpart."

Motivated by the findings, more scientists got on board. By analyzing the Y-chromosome, which is passed virtually unchanged from father to son, they sought to ascertain whether "the scattered groups of modern Jews are actually the modified descendants of the ancient Hebrews of the Bible."

The samplings were expanded to include 29 different population groups (seven of which were Jewish). These populations were divided into five groups: Jews, Middle-Eastern non-Jews, Europeans, North Africans, and sub-Saharan Africans. The findings proved that Sephardi (from the Near East) and Ashkenazi (from Europe) Jews have nearly identical genetic profiles.

This profile, they subsequently discovered, is of Middle Eastern origin. Among other factors, this discovery is attributable to a low rate of intermarriage between Diaspora Jews and local gentiles.

"Since the Jews first settled in Europe more than 50 generations ago, the intermarriage rate was estimated to be only about 0.5%... Ashkenazi Jews are still closer genetically to Sephardic and Kurdish Jews than to any other population."

Interestingly, among the Jewish communities sampled, North Africans are thought to be the closest genetically to the Jewish/Hebrew population of the First Temple period around 2,500 years ago.

WHILE THESE discoveries may not impinge on Halacha, the implications are no less salient. Dr. Harry Ostrer, chairman of the Human Genetics Program at New York University, sums it up: "Recent work from genetics labs has validated the biblical record of a Semitic people who chose a Jewish way of life several thousand years ago. These observations are the biological equivalent to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls."

Kleiman furthers the significance when he quotes the famous sage, the Hafetz Haim: "We will immediately need kohanim [when the Temple is rebuilt] who are knowledgeable in the Service. Without kohanim there is no purpose to the building of the Temple."

Peppered throughout the book are biblical references to various prophecies and promises. One example is the ingathering of the exiles - something Israel is witnessing now as it receives a huge influx of immigrants from Peru to Ethiopia. Some of these people are considered to be members of the Lost Tribes, and these genetic breakthroughs have helped legitimize their status.

One example is the community of Djerba, off the coast of Tunisia, which has a tradition of having arrived there before the destruction of the Temple. They also have a group of people who consider themselves kohanim. In the past, such claims have been hard to prove and uncomfortable to question. Now, however, scientists can genetically test a sample of these kohanim, and have discovered that they all have the CMH.

Kleiman also dedicates parts of the book to the history of kohanim, the history of the Jewish Exile, and various accounts of Lost Tribes. He provides many interesting tidbits about the origins of some Jewish names.

For instance, the common Sephardi last name Mazeh is an acronym of the Hebrew words mizera aharon hakohen - from the seed of Aaron the Priest. Similarly, the popular Ashkenazi last name Katz is often an abbreviation of kohen-tzedek, or righteous priest. Another common name, Rappaport, is said to have come with the family of 16th century Rabbi Avraham Menahem Hakohen Rapa, of Porto, Italy.

One of the more compelling quotes I came across was from Rabbi Jonathan Sacks: "The kabbalists actually maintained that everything that exists is the result of tzerufim - various permutations of the letters of an alphabet. It now turns out that this is not a metaphor at all. It is actually, literally true... the DNA string of those characters is all a series of letters - A, C, G, and T - which, as it were, extend to perform this huge language that is the DNA."

[Hannah Rebekah]

Yes, but if this was still the case only the desensants of Aaron can hold the Aaronic Priesthood today. God has used bloodlines in the past but they are not pure or blessed. They are simply his servants, the bloodline of David or Aaron is no better than any other bloodline. They simply are chosen of God nothing more than that.

For these arguments to hold any water one must ignore that God is not a respector of persons. The Bible states we are equal in God's eyes, no one or no bloodline is better than the other in God's eyes. We are all the same, we are all his children and he loves us equally.

The line of Aaron and David are just lines from which God called servants. Now he calls all worthy men to hold his priesthood, blood has nothing to do with it. If we have no Hebrew blood than we join the liniage of Abraham by adoption when we are baptized.

Blood has no impact at all, it never did in the first place, IMO

See D&C 68 and 107. God is not a respecter of persons. We all have free agency. Maybe a word study on "Intelligences" would be helpful.

[Blossom]

My grandfather was Jewish and two aunts are Catholic.

I told the bishop this but he didn't seem to think it was a problem.

What about these blood lines? I never heard of this. Do we answer to those?

Blessings,

Blossom

[nicolasconnault]

Israel is the Chosen race whether you believe it or not.

Unfortunately for your argument, there is no mention of "race" anywhere in the Old or New Testament, nor in the Book of Mormon, nor in the Doctrine and Covenants, except the word meaning "running race". A "chosen people" isn't the same as a "chosen race".

I will add my voice to the others on this thread: there is no such thing as a "pure bloodline". It's a physical impossibility as far as Israel is concerned.

[Blossom]

What about converts? Do you have to do anything different to join if you have Jewish blood? Can I still be baptised? No one has said anything but is this a problem?

Blessings,

Blossom

[volgadon]

What about converts? Do you have to do anything different to join if you have Jewish blood? Can I still be baptised? No one has said anything but is this a problem?

Blessings,

Blossom

Blossom, you have to be baptised regardless of ancestry. I am half-Jewish, I was baptised. My father and his parents were baptised, they are fully Jewish.

[volgadon]

I will add my voice to the others on this thread: there is no such thing as a "pure bloodline". It's a physical impossibility as far as Israel is concerned.

And even with a cohen only the father needs to be a cohen.

[brightpath]

It might be helpful if we understood specifically what you meant by a pure bloodline genetically speaking. IOW, if one took a sample of someone's blood, could they tell they were of a pure bloodline or not and if they could, how could they? I would very much appreciate learning how you would go about doing this. This is the third time I've asked because I am curious, my question is not a rhetorical one nor am I assuming there is no way to do it. I am assuming you have something specifically in mind about what pure blood is physically speaking (as opposed to spiritually speaking) and I would like to learn what you believe about the subject.

Okay, Lets take the Lamanites as an example. Now many on this board claim that there were Asians in America before or after Lehi came. This is absurd and they do not understand the BOM. I will play their card though and give an example. Lets say a Lamanite in America has not mixed with Asian blood or Gentile blood. So we have a pure Native American who is a Lamanite, who is from Lehi, who is from Manasseh, who is from Joseph. I refer you to the BOM. So yes I believe there are pure blood lines within the Lamanites that have Israel running through their veins. Lehi-Manasseh Ishmael-Ephraim Mulek-Judah. To those of you again who make the argument their was Gentiles with them do not understand God or the BOM. Only Israel came to America. The Gentiles came to America after Israel rejected the gospel.

[brightpath]

I don't generally engage in name calling. I called Brightpath's views racist and incorrect which they are. Bloodlines are part of the carnal law because they deal with who we physically are. There is absolutely no place for them in Christianity. Christ fulfilled the carnal law and now all are welcome in the kingdom. We are living a greater spiritual law--not a carnal law. I disagree with you that God places any stock, whatsoever in bloodlines in our time. Good heavens, look at the stories of European royalty. What a mess their system was! Considering someone a proper leader because of their birth and not their merit does not lead to good leadership. Everyone is welcome in God's kingdom now: Black and white, bond and free, male and female. Blood sacrifice is no longer required, but a broken heart and contrite spirit (again, spiritual things.) Ideas of special "bloodlines" are a relic of antiquity and have caused nothing but divisiveness and evil in the modern world. Perhaps the early prophets of the restoration pondered them because it was a different time and place, but our modern prophets clearly do not.

God has always worked with a chosen lineage. From Noah on down until Christs ascension. The Gentiles never had the gospel until Christ told his apostles to go and preach to them. His Apostles even had a hard time with it until Cornelius's conversion. Please read it, that led to Paul saying God is no respecter of persons. Read the story. If it wasn't for Israel we wouldn't have the Bible or BOM and you and I would be lost. God only dealt with Israel from the flood to 34 AD. Read the Old Testament. When Christ was on earth who did he preach too? His people Israel. Who did he visit in America? Israel. Who will build the New Jerusalem? Israel Who will God rescue in the last days? Judah and Joseph. Us Gentiles better be grateful to Israel for what they did and will do. We are just Gentiles that will be adopted into Israel if we make it. Forget about pure blood lines. Who was the BOM written to? The Lamanite people, then to the Jews and then Gentiles. We are ranked 3rd on the totem pole. So Katherine you better take a BOM and find a Lamanite and teach them about their heritage and ancestors. If this is done you and I will be blessed for it. Please read the promise at the very end in Moroni and look who the promise was really written too. The Lamanites! Moroni Chapter 10 versus 1-23 he is addressing the Lamanites. In verse 24 he addresses the rest of the world which is us. Read Mormon 5:10 Our blessings come through the House of Israel. If we are not a Lamanite or Jew we are a Gentile. Weather you like it or not there are still full blooded Israelites(Lamanites and Jews).

[Calm]

Weather you like it or not there are still full blooded Israelites(Lamanites and Jews).

And how does one know one has found one? How does one test to see if one's blood is pure Israelite?

[brightpath]

I hear crickets,silence! Anyone care to address this? The truth is spoken straight out of the BOM. The record starts with Written to the Lamanites and ends with the promise in Moroni to the Lamanites.

[brightpath]

And how does one know one has found one? How does one test to see if one's blood is pure Israelite?

You wont need to test one the spirit will let you know. Are you suggesting science over God. If you understand the BOM it tells us there are Lamanites here with us because we are suppose to give them their records so they know who they are.

[LeSellers]

I hear crickets,silence! Anyone care to address this? The truth is spoken straight out of the BOM. The record starts with Written to the Lamanites and ends with the promise in Moroni to the Lamanites.

You might consider that,having answered your charges, we just don't feel like talking to a stone wall. You reject, a priori, any view that does not comport to your preconceived notion.

Get off your hobby horse and study the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Lehi

[brightpath]

You might consider that,having answered your charges, we just don't feel like talking to a stone wall. You reject, a priori, any view that does not comport to your preconceived notion.

Get off your hobby horse and study the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Lehi

God has always worked with a chosen lineage. From Noah on down until Christs ascension. The Gentiles never had the gospel until Christ told his apostles to go and preach to them. His Apostles even had a hard time with it until Cornelius's conversion. Please read it, that led to Paul saying God is no respecter of persons. Read the story. If it wasn't for Israel we wouldn't have the Bible or BOM and you and I would be lost. God only dealt with Israel from the flood to 34 AD. Read the Old Testament. When Christ was on earth who did he preach too? His people Israel. Who did he visit in America? Israel. Who will build the New Jerusalem? Israel Who will God rescue in the last days? Judah and Joseph. Us Gentiles better be grateful to Israel for what they did and will do. We are just Gentiles that will be adopted into Israel if we make it. Forget about pure blood lines. Who was the BOM written to? The Lamanite people, then to the Jews and then Gentiles. We are ranked 3rd on the totem pole. So Katherine you better take a BOM and find a Lamanite and teach them about their heritage and ancestors. If this is done you and I will be blessed for it. Please read the promise at the very end in Moroni and look who the promise was really written too. The Lamanites! Moroni Chapter 10 versus 1-23 he is addressing the Lamanites. In verse 24 he addresses the rest of the world which is us. Read Mormon 5:10 Our blessings come through the House of Israel. If we are not a Lamanite or Jew we are a Gentile. Weather you like it or not there are still full blooded Israelites(Lamanites and Jews).

Again no response to the above because it is true. Do you even understand the Bible(Judah) or BOM(Joseph). Literal Israel is the chosen seed. You tell me to get off my high house but I'm not Israel I am a Gentile like you and if we make it we will be adopted into Israel and assist the seed of Joseph in building up the Kingdom.