Mormons believe itherwise but God said this. "Before Me no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me".

[BCSpace]

The Bible teaches the plurality of Gods in numerous other verses both OT and NT? Please list the verses.

Yep. Here's a few:

Gen 1:26 "And God said, let us make man in our image..."

Gen 3:22 "Behold the man is become as one of us..."

Exodus 20:3-4 The first two of the Ten Commandments. The first commandment says not to have any other real and divine Gods (check your Hebrew Lexicon on "gods" in verse 3). The second commandment says not to have any idol gods (check your Hebrew Lexicon on "graven image" in verse 4). If the plurality of Gods doctrine were false, then there is no need for the first commandment making only nine commandments in all.

Deuteronomy 32:8-9 NEB The Hebrews distinguished between the Gods EL (The Most High God) and Jehovah (The Lord, who is Jesus Christ) p.107

"When the Most High [EL] parceled out the nations, when he dispersed all mankind, he laid down the boundaries of every people according to the number of the sons of God; but the LORD's [Yahweh's] share was his own people, Jacob was his allotted portion. Deuteronomy 32:8-9

Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is called God and Father BUT John 20:17 Jesus is NOT God THE Father

John 1:1 Jesus is God. BUT John 20:17 Jesus has a God

John 7:16 Jesus said the doctrine was not his but the Father's. If the trinity hypothesis is true, then the doctrine would also be Jesus'. But as we know, the Father and the Son are separate individual Gods. The ECF knew this as well.

Matthew 6:9 Jesus said (present tense) to pray to the Father in heaven. Not to himself (he was on the earth at the time).

Matthew 24:36 Only the Father knows when Jesus will come again.

John 17:11, 20-22 The ONLY Bible verse that describes how the Three are "one" and "in each other. One in purpose only.

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 While there are idols AND real divine Gods, to us there is God the Father AND the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. See Exodus 20:3-4 above...

Ephesians 1:17

Hebrews 1:3 Jesus' Godhood is an exact copy or replica of the Father's Godhood (check your Greek Lexicon for "express image" in that verse).

Hebrews 1:8 God the Father (a God) refers to Jesus Christ as a God (another God)

You also have the Biblical doctrine of Theosis to consider. It is the only method mentioned in the Bible whereby other Gods are made.

[Vance]

Deut. 10:17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Josh. 22:22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the Lord, (save us not this day,)

Ps. 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Dan. 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Dan. 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Are these gods that worship God, true or false gods?

[BookofMormonLuvr]

Deut. 10:17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Josh. 22:22 The Lord God of gods, the Lord God of gods, he knoweth, and Israel he shall know; if it be in rebellion, or if in transgression against the Lord, (save us not this day,)

Ps. 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Dan. 2:47 The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.

Dan. 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

Are these gods that worship God, true or false gods?

Where do any of those verses say those "gods" worship "God"?

[semlogo]

That's from, Isaiah 43:10. Why is it that Mormons believe there are other gods when God said that there was never a god before Him and there won't be one after Him either?

Also part of Isaiah 44:6 says "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

What are Mormons thoughts on those?

That's easy enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_the_Bible

""Deutero-Isaiah" (chapters 40-55), by an anonymous Jewish author in Babylon near the end of the Babylonian captivity"

Isaiah didn't write that chapter. That's a later addition from one of the later Jews who wanted to erase polytheism from the scriptures.

[Vance]

Gen. 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.

19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:

20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

[daz2]

Try the first commandment: ""Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

Many or most modern scholars believe that, before the Deutermonomist, Israel believed and taught monolatry, not monotheism. It wasn't till the exile or return from exile that Israel came to deny the existence of other gods.

The Mosaic religion was initially a monolatrous religion; while the Hebrews are enjoined to worship no deity but Yahweh, there is no evidence that the earliest Mosaic religion denied the existence of other gods. In fact, the account of the migration contains numerous references by the historical characters to other gods, and the first law of the Decalogue is, after all, that no gods be put before Yahweh, not that no other gods exist. While controversial among many people, most scholars have concluded that the initial Mosaic religion for about two hundred years was a monolatrous religion. For there is ample evidence in the Hebrew account of the settlement of Palestine, that the Hebrews frequently changed religions, often several times in a single lifetime.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Monolatry.html

[Zakuska]

Can inanmante objects or things that do not exist "perish from the earth"?

Jeremiah 10:11

The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.

Does it really make sense to compare God to nothing?

Exodus 15:11

Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?

Does it really make sense to command idols made of sticks and stones to sing praises to him?

Pslams 97:7

Ashamed be all they that serve graven images, that boast themselves of idols: worship him, all ye gods.

This is the Pslam that the Deuteronomists edited out of Deuteronomy, to make it more Monotheistic!

Hebrews 1:6 quotes:

[urroner]

The Bible teaches the plurality of Gods in numerous other verses both OT and NT? Please list the verses.

Genesis 1:26

And God said, let us make man in our image.

Genesis 3:22

And the Lord God said, Behold, then man is become as one of us, to know good and evil.

Genesis 11:7

Let us go down, and there confound their language.

Exodus 15:11

Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods?

Exodus 18:11

Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods.

Exodus 22:28

Thou shalt not revile the gods.

Deuteronomy 10:17

For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords.

1 Chronicles 16:25

The Lord ... is to be feared above all gods.

Psalm 82:1

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty, he judgeth among the gods.

Psalm 82:6

I have said, Ye are gods.

Psalm 86:8

Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord.

Psalm 96:4

For the Lord ... is to be feared above all gods.

Psalm 97:7

Worship him, all ye gods.

Psalm 135:5

Our Lord is above all gods.

Psalm 136:2

O give thanks unto the God of gods.

1 Corinthians 8:5

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

[urroner]

From http://en.fairmormon.org/Nature_of_God/%22No_God_beside_me%22

Isaiah 44:6 reads:

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Passages such as Isa 44:6,8 and 45:5,21 that read "no God beside me" or a variation of that phrase are traditionally interpreted by mainstream anti-Mormons as meaning that other than Yahweh no form of deity exists at all, including exalted men. This type of interpretation at first seems obvious, but after considering similar passages in other parts of scripture it is clear that this interpretation is incorrect.

For example, Isaiah 47:8-10 depicts the city of Babylon as saying:

Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

These passages use the exact same phrase as Isa 44 and 45, yet they certainly do not exclude the existence of any city other than Babylon. The city of Ninevah would be very upset if this were the case, as Zepheniah depicts Ninevah in Zeph. 2:15 as saying:

This is the rejoicing city that dwelt carelessly, that said in her heart, I am, and there is none beside me: how is she become a desolation, a place for beasts to lie down in! every one that passeth by her shall hiss, and wag his hand.

Again it is clear that this phrase does not exclude the very existence of other cities. Using these parallel phrases makes it clear that Isaiah is not excluding the very existence of any other deity when he quotes Yahweh as declaring "there is no God beside me." There are, in fact, several scriptures in the Old Testament that imply that Yahweh is in fact one of a number of Gods, albeit supreme.

[Muc'ul Ajwalil]

Yet another guy that misinterprets the scriptures, or even worse, takes one scripture and thinks it more worthy of attention than dozens of scriptures to the contrary. Then, as what happens a lot to these guys, takes that one scripture and puts up his preaching buisness so to speak...

[Kenngo1969]

... By the way, we already have a Princess Bride character here. And no one likes rats, especially unusually large ones.

Lehi

Buttercup: "What about the RUS-es?"

Westley: "Rodents of Unusual Size which can make an intelligent argument that is not self-contradictory? I don't think they exist."

[Kenngo1969]

Oh, you just proved the church false. Who is ready to leave with me?

Well, he's got me convinced. Do you want to turn out the lights, or shall I?

[Kenngo1969]

So, just for a change of pace, we have someone who's just read this scripture, had a rush of blood to the head, and convinced that he's the first person to have ever thought of this, tears on over here to tell us what we believe and confront us with this unanswerable "gotcha" question.

What a surprise.

Here, just for you, and absolutely free of charge, is the best advice you will ever receive in your life:

Get a clue. Read a book.

And learn some manners.

Regards,

Pahoran

There are those of us who Eat, Shoot, and Leave, and there are those of us who Drive By, Shoot, and ... Well, You Know!

[Vance]

Where do any of those verses say those "gods" worship "God"?

Well, duh!

If God is their God, then who do you think they worship?

[Hick Preacher]

Oh you funny ha ha apologists, why tease someone who asks for knowledge. You all sound like a hoard of tricksters instead of saviors on the cosmic Mount of Sion. We all know what the scribe affirmed in his conversation with Jesus about Jehovah the one Lord? He (scribe of Mark 12) said

Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Jehovah is at the top of all of the tiers where all of those other beings called 'gods' reside. These other 'gods' reside in other spheres of existence, below Jehovah. Jehovah is a different kind of being than these others who exist on some other level.

There is the tier of the Most High

There is the tier of beney elohim the many Sons of God.

And there are the malakim, often called 'angels'

Then we humans the children of the Most High--

This arrangement is hinted here and there even in the New Testament as we see in Acts--

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me?

Now of course in our Earthly domains, any being above us in a higher sphere could be called 'a god'. But often these other gods are the beney elohim, the sons of El, the highest. Adam at the time of the Fall, then gaining the knowledge of good and evil became similar to those of a higher tier of being--- the beney eloim. But Jesus Christ of the highest tier is the only begotten son of God.

This if fundamental to theology, so why not share your views instead of making fun of somebody?

[Hick Preacher]

Well, duh!

If God is their God, then who do you think they worship?

Neh 9: 6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

7 Thou art the LORD the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham

Understanding the tiers of being on Earth and in the tiers of the heavens helps us understand our place, the yoke of expectations upon us and the ultimate destiny we may have as human beings.

Beings who reside in heaven-- 'angels' and sons of God, in their various spheres of existence, all worship the Highest who resides in the top sphere or tier. He who is he Highest is the One who is, the one who was, is now and always will be, ( The Great I AM) the Jehovah. He is in the thinking of the Greeks in the realm of the Transcendent--a Pluralistic being unlike the others at the lower spheres.

[thesometimesaint]

John 17:20-23

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Familiar enough to know that what Mormons believe is false. Please answer the question. Maybe I'm wrong, so please tell me why you think I am.

Please CFR the most recent article you have read on this topic

[Vance]

ROUS,

Winner of this weeks "Anti-Mormon Seagull" award.

Congratulations!!!

[BookofMormonLuvr]

John (aka ROUS)...

I still want to know what the "over 3,193" non-grammatical changes are to the Book of Mormon text.

That was your assertion at Facebook.

If you can't handle me in a friendly Facebook discussion, you are certainly in over your head here, my friend.

[Hick Preacher]

ROUS,

Winner of this weeks "Anti-Mormon Seagull" award.

Congratulations!!!

So you think that the OP was just an anti-Mormon Advertisement?

[BookofMormonLuvr]

So you think that the OP was just an anti-Mormon Advertisement?

This time, Hick, it was.

This fellow posted the same thing in a group over at Facebook, since I essentially agree with him, and the group is mostly non-LDS Book of Mormon believers who would agree with him- I informed him of such. In response I got a "Well, the Book of Mormon is false <blah blah blah>" with the bold assertion that there are over 3,193 non-grammatical changes to the text of the Book of Mormon. When I challenged the statement, he blocked me and apparently made his way here.

[Anakin7]

It might be of Great worth to post those references where it states that GOD The Father is Jesus Christs "GOD".

In His Debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS JEDI KNIGHT

[Anakin7]

That's from, Isaiah 43:10. Why is it that Mormons believe there are other gods when God said that there was never a god before Him and there won't be one after Him either?

Also part of Isaiah 44:6 says "I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

What are Mormons thoughts on those?

From my understanding these passages [along with others] are not addressing a time framework but a exclucivity of a sweetheart framework.

In His Debt/Grace

Anakin7

LDS JEDI KNIGHT

[Vance]

So you think that the OP was just an anti-Mormon Advertisement?

A seagull flies in, squawks a lot, eats all the food, craps all over, then flies away.

Also known as a drive by poster.