The Origin of the Temple Garment

[Palerider]

In order for there to be a discrepancy, you'd have to assume that the two accounts were of the same event. There is no evidence to support that assumption.

Lehi

But then one would also have to assume that Moroni had a reason for not wearing the under-garment he normally would wear around Heaven/Paradise just for this particular visit to Joseph. Can you think of a reason someone (an angel) would take off their garment for a priesthood assignment?

[Palerider]

Having spent part of my time in the temple yesterday administering the initiatory ordinances, I agree that the garment is meant as a protection until this life is finished.

Both of the accounts where the garment was revealed state that Moroni was wearing the garment. One must assume that it is then, eternal in nature.

[Calm]

Both of the accounts where the garment was revealed state that Moroni was wearing the garment. One must assume that it is then, eternal in nature.

Assumption is not necessary.

Christ's wounds from this life are still with him so that they are a witness to who he is...that does not mean they will be with him eternally. There may be a purpose for Moroni's wearing of the garment (perhaps to demonstrate to Joseph the significance of them for one, perhaps it is a sign of his role as messenger from God) that will not be needed for eternity.

[Garden Girl]

So when was the last time anyone heard a claim about the Temple garments providing actual physical protection from physical threats (like bullets, fire, impact blows, etc.)?

I heard several stories about such things growing up, but it's been years since I've heard anyone bring it up. Are these stories falling out of fashion?

Hello cinepro...

The last time I heard a first hand "story" was several years ago when Steve Young and Robert(?) Marriott were being interviewed on TV by (I'm pretty sure it was Mike Wallace)... he asked about the garments and if they wore them and if they really believed they were a protection... Marriott indicated yes he did believe they were a protection because not too long before he was on his boat and it caught fire. He said his clothes were on fire and the fire burnt the legs off of his pants. His lower calfs were burned but not the upper legs that were covered by the garments.

Steve Young reported that he removed his garments when he played because of the blood and sweat during play, but put them on again in the locker room after the game. He recounted that one of the players asked him where he got his underwear because they looked comfortable and he'd like to get some... Steve said he laughed and told him the price was too high.

I watched that interview and was pleased that Marriott was not hesitant to speak up about his wearing of the garments and his own experience.

GG

[mtomm]

So when was the last time anyone heard a claim about the Temple garments providing actual physical protection from physical threats (like bullets, fire, impact blows, etc.)?

I heard several stories about such things growing up, but it's been years since I've heard anyone bring it up. Are these stories falling out of fashion?

Last night in temple prep class. Many stories of physical safety were shared. Although I made it clear that really we should look at them as spiritual safety nets first and foremost.

[mrmendoza]

While I don't usualy bring them up when talking to others, if asked about them I would bring up the priestly "coller" worn by different ministers of other denomonations of Christianity. Also the Priestly vestments of the RCC, many of which are worn on the outside in such a way to let everyone that sees them that the wearer was some kind of minister or Priest. We wear ours undernieth our clothing, not to be seen of men, but to remind us each time we dress, or undress, of the covenents we have taken in the Temple. In other words, IMO we wear them to remind us who we are, not to tell everyone else!

Mike

PS. I remember when watching "The Fiddler On The Roof" How that Tavia explained what the various bits of clothing they wore was to remind them of Gods greatness. We aren't the only ones who wear symbolic clothing!

[consiglieri]

So when was the last time anyone heard a claim about the Temple garments providing actual physical protection from physical threats (like bullets, fire, impact blows, etc.)?

I heard several stories about such things growing up, but it's been years since I've heard anyone bring it up. Are these stories falling out of fashion?

It has been a long time indeed.

The most popular some decades ago seemed to be an otherwise unnamed Vietnam fighter pilot who went down in a crash and when they found his body, it was burned to a crisp except those areas immediately under the garment which were miraculously unsinged.

I sometimes wondered how much good that did the pilot in the long run, but such was the story . . .

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[rameumptom]

Our garments are just the portion of the temple Garment that we take with us daily into the world. It is a symbol of the covenants and promises we make with God in the temple. Other early religions, including Jews, include symbolic clothing that they wear as a covenant with God.

In many ancient Jewish/Christian documents, we see prophets ascend into heaven, where they are clothed with garments of light. For Enoch, this was the first step taken in arriving into heaven. Afterwards, he was given the name Metatron the Archangel, and sat upon God's throne, where the angels adored him as the symbol of God.

In the Dead Sea Scroll's Book of Melchizedek, we are told twice that Melchizedek IS God! He was the ancient priest of El Elyon/Elohim to whom Abraham paid tithes. He would definitely have worn special clothing to display his role as high priest of God.

In the Ascension of Isaiah, we see Isaiah ascend to the highest heaven, whereupon he puts on holy garments, so that he fits in with every other being of light in the presence of God.

There are many other examples of how the garment ties into our standing in God's presence. In fact, the Old Testament describes the high priest's temple robes as being very similar to our own temple clothing today. Had he attempted to enter into the Holy of Holies without his appropriate clothing on him, he would have been slain by God.

[LeSellers]

Our garments are just the portion of the temple ... that we take with us daily into the world.

With the minor (in my view) change I made in your sentence, I believe this to be one of the most profound statements I have read outside the scriptures in a very long time. Wish I could give you five votes here.

Thank you.

Lehi

[mfbukowski]

With the minor (in my view) change I made in your sentence, I believe this to be one of the most profound statements I have read outside the scriptures in a very long time. Wish I could give you five votes here.

Thank you.

Lehi

I don't think it is a minor edit at all, but I would agree with you on being a profound profound statement. A really good thought!