Jeff K. Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Hey Einstein, did you see the smiley face at the end of my comment. And didn't my comment limit, but its terms, the use of my SS# to work?Sheesh, some people will argue about anything. Cell phone didn't pick it up. My apologies. But some have actually thought it a benefit.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 You guys crack me up. Come on Keith, you said, "seriously" and then went on a nice lecture of 1/2 truths. I called you on it, now what? Was that all part of the joke too? I guess I fell hook line and sinker.
ttribe Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Probably because I am incredibly naive. I said the statement was; I don't have the foggiest idea what motivated you to say it.
frankenstein Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 The level of selfishness (and ignorance) exhibited by those who speak so violently against people who live and work in America without the benefit of a green card or citizenship is staggering. The argument against amnesty is meanspirited. Reminds me of those who labored in the vineyard all day and then complained about being rewarded that same as those who labored only an hour.a comparison that couldn't be more incorrect.The laborers ALL agreed to the same rules. The laborers were all approach by the owner of the vineyard to work for a certain wage. What is applicable is either the parable of 10 Virgins or more on point Matthew 22:11-14 11"But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12'Friend,' he asked, 'how did you get in here without wedding clothes?' The man was speechless. 13"Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' 14"For many are invited, but few are chosen."
Mark Beesley Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Come on Keith, you said, "seriously" and then went on a nice lecture of 1/2 truths. I called you on it, now what? Was that all part of the joke too? I guess I fell hook line and sinker.My name is Mark.What half-truth did I present. I only made one factual statement. Everything else was opinion. Surely you can discern between statements of opinion and statements of fact? Do you doubt the level of wealth in this Country is sufficient to care for everyone who is here?Enjoy yourselves. Remember charity.P.S. To use a phrase such as "I called you on it" is the height of arrogance.
Mark Beesley Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 a comparison that couldn't be more incorrect. So, I'm incorrect about what it reminded me of????
ttribe Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Do you doubt the level of wealth in this Country is sufficient to care for everyone who is here?Do you dispute that not all (whether legal citizen or not) do not deserve access to said wealth?
USU78 Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 Remember charity.Accepting 500,000 legal residents into the US annually is not chopped liver.Passing laws to standardize the procedure for entering the US legally is not hatred.To turn the other cheek in the face of outrages by the Mexican government that are an act of war, in the face of public griping by Mexican authorities because we don't make it 800,000, in the face of a constant state of warfare between Federales and Drug-and Human Smugglers on and across our Southern border, and in the face of serial forgiveness of debt while Mexico passes yet another anti-Yanqui restrictions against ownership of real estate, personalty, and businesses resident in Mexico, is not uncharitable.You want charity?Talk to the thieves who steal the identities of children, "'Cause they just gotta!"Talk to the thieves who steal the benefits of the handicapped, "'Cause they won't help me in Guadalajara!"Talk to the thieves who drive US youth out of the job market, "'Cause our babies' gotta eat!"Where's their charity?
frankenstein Posted July 22, 2010 Posted July 22, 2010 So, I'm incorrect about what it reminded me of???? oh good grief, re-read my post to which i respond to your terrible comparison.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 My name is Mark.Well you sure sound like this fellow named Keith who has a horrible show on MSNBC, what you said sounded just like him I was convinced you were him. What half-truth did I present. Right hereThe level of selfishness (and ignorance) exhibited by those who speak so violently against people who live and work in America without the benefit of a green card or citizenship is staggering. The argument against amnesty is meanspirited You claimed that there is a certain level of selfishness and ignorance. That is not a statement of opinion. That is an assertion of a truth. You then continue that we were speaking violently against illegal aliens. That again is not an opinion. You were asserting that something happend that did not. And then you claimed that arguments against amnesty is mean spiritied, that again is onther assertion. Hardly what I would call an opinion. It is the same as asserting that I have 10 bananas in my fridge. An opinion is "I think Ozzy Osbourne is the best singer in ther world". I only made one factual statement. I don't think you even made one factual statement. Everything else was opinion. Surely you can discern between statements of opinion and statements of fact? I am not so sure that I am the one that needs to discern between statments of fact vs opinion.Do you doubt the level of wealth in this Country is sufficient to care for everyone who is here There is if this people choose to share it. What is the differnece between a man comming into someone's house taking someone's money and the government taking it away form people? Nothing for they both are stealing others money. Redistribution of wealth is stealing money.Enjoy yourselves. Remember charity.Sounds like you could use some of this your self when you wrongly condemn others of violent attacks and selfishness.P.S. To use a phrase such as "I called you on it" is the height of arrogance.No it isn't. It is a statement of fact. You screwed up I called you on it. Not that that matters, you just cant take it.
ERayR Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 Enjoy yourselves. Remember charity.P.S. To use a phrase such as "I called you on it" is the height of arrogance.To be charity it must be given willingly by the individual. Enough individuals (like a church or organized charitable organization) and significant accompishments can be made. If it is confiscated and redistributed by government it is theft not charity. So yes I remember charity every month I write a check for fast offerings which gets distributed to the poor without any overhead costs. A few times a year I also write a check to the Boy Scouts or Salvation Army or the Lions club or ?? which also do good works. That is charity not government welfare which is confiscation. I don't even mind helping those in need, even through government programs, but it is call it what it is and don't try to pass it off as charity.
Mark Beesley Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 To be charity it must be given willingly by the individual. Enough individuals (like a church or organized charitable organization) and significant accompishments can be made. If it is confiscated and redistributed by government it is theft not charity. So yes I remember charity every month I write a check for fast offerings which gets distributed to the poor without any overhead costs. A few times a year I also write a check to the Boy Scouts or Salvation Army or the Lions club or ?? which also do good works. That is charity not government welfare which is confiscation. I don't even mind helping those in need, even through government programs, but it is call it what it is and don't try to pass it off as charity.Methinks thou dost misunderstand what charity is. 44 If so, his faith and hope is vain, for none is acceptable before God, save the meek and lowly in heart; and if a man be meek and lowly in heart, and confesses by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, he must needs have charity; for if he have not charity he is nothing; wherefore he must needs have charity.45 And charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.46 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, if ye have not charity, ye are nothing, for charity never faileth. Wherefore, cleave unto charity, which is the greatest of all, for all things must fail
Jeff K. Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 I have a difficult time imagining the Savior clamoring for the deportation of undocumented aliens who only want to provide a better life for their families.So he was fine with the Romans in Jerusalem? Or did he take a neutral stance?
semlogo Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 I can't produce that. So you seemed to be saying "It doesn'treally matter what you come up with in your example".Well, it doesn't, not unless you can produce numbers that accurately represent the situation. "I know a guy who did it" doesn't pass that test.And of course, you really can't find that information out on your own. Not without a research grant, anyway.
Mark Beesley Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 So he was fine with the Romans in Jerusalem? Or did he take a neutral stance? 17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? <A name=21>21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God
DanGB Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 Methinks thou dost misunderstand what charity is.I have a difficult time imagining the Savior clamoring for the deportation of undocumented aliens who only want to provide a better life for their families.And so I repeat, Remember charity.I have a difficult time imagining the Savior revealing His commands to us, only to have us pick and choose which ones we think are worth following.And so I repeat, "remember the Alamo"!
thesometimesaint Posted July 23, 2010 Posted July 23, 2010 Article today in the LA Times. In Arizona, illegal immigration costs the state an estimated $2.5 Billion(by FAIR) per year. Economic activity generated $29 Billion per year(2008 study by University of Arizona Udall Center Studies in Public Policy). Do the math.Ps. Even the Hispanic citizens born, and raised there are leaving, or considering leaving. They just get tired of being hassled/threatened by the cops.
selek Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 Article today in the LA Times. In Arizona, illegal immigration costs the state an estimated $2.5 Billion(by FAIR) per year. Economic activity generated $29 Billion per year(2008 study by University of Arizona Udall Center Studies in Public Policy). Do the math.I wonder how much of that money comes in the form of illegal drug sales.....Ps. Even the Hispanic citizens born, and raised there are leaving, or considering leaving. They just get tired of being hassled/threatened by the cops.And of course, the massive, interminable, incessant media drum-beat of illiterate hysteria can't possibly have anything to do with that sentiment....I mean after all, just because our "post-racial" President, his "post racial" Chief of Staff, his "post-racial" Attorney General, his "post-racial" Press Secretary, and his "post-racial" Chief of Homeland Security, and his "post-racial" Supreme Court nominee all denounced the law as racist without having troubled themselves to actually READ it doesn't mean that the law might not do any of the things the media claim, right?I mean- if Eric Holder (who accused the nation of cowardice regarding racism) but who's department has stated explicitly that it will only enforce the law on the basis of skin color- asserts that the law is racist, we really, really, really have to believe him.Right?
Jeff K. Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 Article today in the LA Times. In Arizona, illegal immigration costs the state an estimated $2.5 Billion(by FAIR) per year. Economic activity generated $29 Billion per year(2008 study by University of Arizona Udall Center Studies in Public Policy). Do the math.Ps. Even the Hispanic citizens born, and raised there are leaving, or considering leaving. They just get tired of being hassled/threatened by the cops.I was in Yuma and the adjoining county, latinos are not considering leaving because of the law. That is media bluster. Yuma seems more crowded this year than last, and the Latinos I know there are not nearly as driven by fear as the LA Times seems to make it out to be.A 2007 report from the Congressional Budget Office that reviewed 29 studies
DanGB Posted July 24, 2010 Posted July 24, 2010 Article today in the LA Times. In Arizona, illegal immigration costs the state an estimated $2.5 Billion(by FAIR) per year. Economic activity generated $29 Billion per year(2008 study by University of Arizona Udall Center Studies in Public Policy). Do the math.Ps. Even the Hispanic citizens born, and raised there are leaving, or considering leaving. They just get tired of being hassled/threatened by the cops.But how much of what illegals make in the US is wired or sent back to Mexico to support that community????It is, by far, not a zero sum game!!Why have commands of God and laws of the land if they are to be niether accepted nor enforced!!!
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