Is There A Way To Block Mormon Relatives From Baptizing Me When I Croak?

[Calm]

I could just as easily say the Catholic church, etc...

So why didn't you?

[Daniel Peterson]

Just as I don't want to be enrolled in the KKK by proxy after I die, I don't want to be enrolled in the Mormon church by proxy.

Should you still feel that way after you're dead, you can Just Say No.

Your decision will be respected.

Nobody's freedom is being trampled here. No harm, no foul. No problem. A non-isssue.

[jadams_4242]

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Is There A Way To Block Mormon Relatives From Baptizing Me When I Croak?

No!

[MorningStar]

Is there a way to block whiny, insulting people from this board?

Oh yeah! There is!

[Garden Girl]

Hello Expositor...

Last time I checked in here it was 10 pages... I come home and now it's 12!!

It is simple... the Church uses "Family Group Sheets"... Just fill out a family group sheet for you and your family (wife/children, if any). At the bottom of the sheet is a space for "Necessary Explanations"... Just type in all caps "DO NOT PERFORM TEMPLE ORDINANCES FOR EXPOSITOR"... highlight in yellow. Mail copies to your Mormon relatives asking them to enter the info into the Church genealogical record, including the explanatory note, and also into family records with the note. Any time the record is accessed, the note will be there.

Example: My biological father ran off and left my mom to raise two little girls alone without any means of support, in spite of the fact that he knew she had no training for a job that would provide for a family, etc. His family included LDS, and mom was contacted by missionaries... she joined the Church and was TBM for the rest of her life. A few years after she joined, she met a wonderful man who married her and took us little girls like his own. Eventually he converted... he was the Dad we had never known... we were a family. We were sealed to my step-dad and mom in the SLC temple in 1954...

Every time I fill out a family group sheet I have to list my biological father because he is my direct line... EVEN THOUGH I WANT NO PART OF HIM IN ANY WAY... so I carefully enter into the "Necessary Explanations" in regard to my biol. father and my mother... "DO NOT SEAL." Then I note that we are sealed to my step-father, John Doe. I also was able to add the notations about my biol. father when I typed my family info on disk and submitted to the temple for the records. I have gone ahead upon his death and completed his temple ordinances for him alone. He can accept them or reject them... it makes no difference to me... but just in case he now or later wants them, they are done.

The Garden Girl

[Aluwid]

It does seem to me to be a question of religious liberty. Does one have the right to determine the treatment of one's own soul? The LDS position that baptisms for the dead can either be accepted or rejected doesn't strike me as a very strong defense. An action is still being performed on a soul--the subsequent meaning of that action is irrelevant. American jurisprudence has determined that religious freedom is not extended to practices which involuntarily invade an individual's person. If such practices involving the physical body can be limited, it stands to reason that practices involving the soul could similarly be limited, especially in cases where the individual has expressed his will that his soul not be subjected to a religious ritual.

Great...just great... Lawyers are already screwing up our mortal world enough as it is, now you're inviting them to screw up our postmortal life as well? I can just see it, a sleezy law firm will file a class action lawsuit on behalf of "harmed souls". After the settlement a single flower will be placed on all the affected grave sites and the lawyers will walk away with millions of dollars.

[Moon Quaker]

I think the best thing to do is to take the win-win route. That is, let your relatives do whatever they want with you and proxy ordinances. This will give them the peace of mind that you "receive the opportunity to choose." But create your own preempting ordinances that negate any proxy ordinances your relatives do; make your ordinance so that any future proxy ordinances are not merely "undone" but annulled. This will technically make any future proxy ordinances non-existent in the first place.

So from your relatives' point of view, they have done their duty and from your point of view, your relatives will never have even performed any proxy ordinances in the first place. No one loses.

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[cdowis]

That is good reasoning on why you need to wait. Don't know how official it is though. However I thought vicariously they could be married to both spouses and the decision on whom they remained married to would be their decision....or maybe I am off and it is only when they have been widowed and not divorced.

A widow with two or more spouses would be sealed to all of them. However, a divorce is a different kettle of fish. The sealing is for the second husband, regardless of whether he is the biological father.

[Skylla]

It shouldn't matter what my reasons are. To the point, since you wondered why, I find the temple ceremony bizarre and cultish, and actual church doctrine (not the cleansed current version) offensively and patently racist and sexist. I want no association with it. Just as I don't want to be enrolled in the KKK by proxy after I die, I don't want to be enrolled in the Mormon church by proxy. Trivialize it, dismiss it, whatever--the point is, I'm offended at the thought. The question is whether the LDS church would respect my request, or baptize me by proxy despite it. By the reaction of most on this board, I suspect most think the church shouldn't respect my request. I think it's a matter of common respect and decency.

And I''m not saying Mormonism and the KKK are equal in terms of offense (though many early and some modern church leaders were and are racists)--I only bring it up as an example of another group I wouldn't want to be linked to by proxy after I die. I could just as easily say the Catholic church, etc...

This is a violation of our rules of debate. Do not make inflammatory comparisons.

I'm also closing this thread as it seems everything has been said.

Skylla