Harry Potter Is Satanic!

[Matthew J. Tandy]

I do alot of things that aren't "of God" then....

washing my hands...

brushing my teeth...

paying bills....

driving.....

I don't know James.... cleanliness is next to Godliness. I myself praise God whenever I am in close quarters with those who have brushed their teeth versus those who haven't!

[Bond...James Bond]

I myself praise God whenever I am in close quarters with those who have brushed their teeth versus those who haven't!

In the case of the latter I pray to the God of Breathmints (Tic Tac is his True name I believe) that their bad breath will magically disappear.

[consiglieri]

Simply being or associating with a lawyer is extremely satanic. Need I say more?

By the light of the night,

It'll all seem all right.

I'll get you a Satanic mechanic!

[Homestar Runner]

an attorney acquaintance of mine registered shock and asked if I really read that stuff, advising me that it was "Satanic."

As my wife was evaluating homeschool co-ops, she decided against the local LDS one, because it was peppered by people who loudly believed similar things. She oped to drive a few miles further to a co-op run by the First Church of the Nazarene. Nice folks, those Nazarenes. Not an Anti-Potter in the whole bunch (that we could find).

She also knitted a full-sized genuine Hufflepuff scarf for a nephew, and a Slytherin one for BIL.

By the light of the night,

It'll all seem all right.

I'll get you a Satanic mechanic!

For shame! Good little LDS boys should never admit knowing anything about such movies.

HSR

(bag of rice, a cowbell, a baloon, and a squirt bottle)

[TJane]

My wife loves him, too. And especially Alan Rickman. I am starting to get a wee bit worried over her obsession with Snape.

But Snape ends up being one of the most tragic figures in literature.

Beautifully done by J.K.

Amen. When we picked up our two copies that Saturday morning, the woman in the bookstore asked us if we thought Snape would betray or if we trusted Snape. My dd too the "betray" sticker. I got the "Trust" sticker. Whoever is good enough for Dumbledore is good enough for me.

Jane

[LifeOnaPlate]

The woman crying out against Harry Potter, a childrens fiction, would do well to consider this scripture:

"noli esse iustus multum neque plus sapias quam necesse est ne obstupescas"

Which is to say:

"Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself ?" -Ecclesiastes 7:17

Brigham Young had somewhat to say about the attitude of those who think something like Harry Potter will damn our souls. [Granted, anything that we put above God can do so, but in their proper place, there is good in the world outside of the Bible!]

Brother Brigham:

"For example, we will take a strict, religious, holy, down country, eastern Yankee, who would whip a beer barrel for working on Sunday, and never suffer a child to go into company of his age--never suffer him to have any associates, or permit him to do any thing or know anything, only what the deacon, priests, or missionaries bring to the house; when that child attains to mature age, say eighteen or twenty years, he is very apt to steal away from his father and mother; and when he has broken his bands, you would think all hell was let loose, and that he would compass the world at once. Now understand it--when parents whip their children for reading novels, and never let them go to the theatre, or to any place of recreation and amusement, but bind them to the moral law, until duty becomes loathsome to them; when they are freed by age from the rigorous training of their parents, they are more fit for companions to devils, than to be the children of such religious parents.

"When I was young, I was kept within very strict bounds, and was not allowed to walk more than half-an-hour on Sunday for exercise. The proper and necessary gambols of youth having been denied me, makes me want active exercise and amusement now. I had not a chance to dance when I was young, and never heard the enchanting tones of the violin, until I was eleven years of age; and then I thought I was on the high way to hell, if I suffered myself to linger and listen to it. I shall not subject my little children to such a course of unnatural training, but they shall go to the dance, study music, read novels, and do anything else that will tend to expand their frames, add fire to their spirits, improve their minds, and make them feel free and untrammeled in body and mind. Let everything come in its season, place everything in the place designed for it, and do everything in its right time," (Journal of discourses 2:90-105).

[Tarski]

Harry Potter is Satanic?

Silly, superstitious, fear based childish thinking. Yet, he is an attorney.

It never ceases to amaze me.

religion! ahrrrg!

[USU78]

Great... I should have stayed away from this thread... I haven't had the chance to read the last book yet and now I know more than I wanted.

Read the entirety of my post carefully. You still have much to discover. I have left you in a major muddle, Muggle.

USU "Just why did Severus and James hate each other so much?" 78

[LifeOnaPlate]

religion! ahrrrg!

Let's take it a step further, though, Tarsk. There is something beyond even the fact that the man has religious beliefs that Harry Potter is evil. It is the fact that the man has "beliefs" at all. Using circumstances like this to say "see!? religious beliefs are so dumb!" can also apply to "beliefs" in general. And we all have beliefs.

So I would rephrase your 'arrrgh' to "beliefs! arrrgh!"

[Zakuska]

Its funny all these people think this Fantasy stuff is Satanic with all the creatures and monsters and such. Apparently they have never read the bible...

Job 39: 9-10

9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Num. 23: 22

22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.

Num. 24: 8

8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.

Deut. 33: 17

17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

Ps. 22: 21

21 Save me from the lionâ??s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.

Ps. 29: 6

6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.

Ps. 92: 10

10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.

Isa. 34: 7

7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Isa. 11: 8

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatriceâ?? den.

Isa. 14: 29

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[Bond...James Bond]

By the light of the night,

It'll all seem all right.

I'll get you a Satanic mechanic!

I don't know what'd be worse.....a Sweet Transvestite from Transexual Transylavania or a lawyer.

Alright being a lawyer's worse. They're inherently evil

[MorningStar]

Anything that inspires rotten egg flavored jelly beans is obviously Satanic.

[Tarski]

Let's take it a step further, though, Tarsk. There is something beyond even the fact that the man has religious beliefs that Harry Potter is evil. It is the fact that the man has "beliefs" at all. Using circumstances like this to say "see!? religious beliefs are so dumb!" can also apply to "beliefs" in general. And we all have beliefs.

So I would rephrase your 'arrrgh' to "beliefs! arrrgh!"

Huh??

Because I assert that religious beliefs are dumb I must perforce accept that all beliefs period are dumb?? How about my belief that the earth is an oblate spheroid or that I have blood in my veins?

[HiJolly]

I finished the last book Wednesday. What a fun read. I really appreciate the Gospel themes, too, like love, acceptance of 'other' groups, sacrifice, and faith.

I've always been cheering for Snape, too. Well, since the 2nd or 3rd book, anyway...

HiJolly

[Tarski]

Its funny all these people think this Fantasy stuff is Satanic with all the creatures and monsters and such. Apparently they have never read the bible...

Job 39: 9-10

9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

Num. 23: 22...

...cut...

...

Yes, the Bible, in parts, is indeed childish fantasy. What was your point?

[Zakuska]

Look past the Fantasy words Tarsk.

[LifeOnaPlate]

Huh??

Because I assert that religious beliefs are dumb I must perforce accept that all beliefs period are dumb?? How about my belief that the earth is an oblate spheroid or that I have blood in my veins?

Has any scientific knowledge, [or misplaced or misunderstood scientific knowledge] ever led anyone to believe something stupid, or do something that we can see as irrational? I guess we'll have to throw out both the baby and the bathwater, then.

Then again, one mans trash is another mans Tarski.

[Oracle]

Orson Scott Card has written about the Harry/Christ similarities on his blog:

Yes, Harry does voluntarily go to his death in order to save, not the lives of his fellow war fighters (for no one believes that Voldemort will actually keep his word), but rather the future of the human race, from domination by irresistible evil. And he does so knowing that his â??fatherâ?â??Dumbledoreâ??wishes him to do it.

Yes, after being slain by the evil enemy, he spends a short time in a sort of nonce world and then returns to life. In a sense he has already beaten Voldemort, but there is yet a final battle between them, in which Potter is triumphant and the world is saved. Not only that, but he continues to bear, not the stigmata, but still a stigmaâ??the lightning scar.

But these similarities are relatively very slight, and such hero-sacrifice myths are common to many cultures.

Letâ??s take just a moment to note the huge dissimilarities:

Harry returns, not as a resurrected immortal, but as a mortal being who will marry and have children and live to raise them.

Harry is not a figure of divine power or wisdom. He is far from being the best wizard alive, nor is he the cleverest. Nor is he even the bravest, or the purest. In no sense does he approach divinity.

Harry was conceived in the ordinary way, and his mother, while lovely, was not of immaculate conception. (Please donâ??t start theorizing to me about â??Muggle-bornâ? bearing some resemblance.)

Harryâ??s â??resurrectionâ? didnâ??t resurrect a single other soul. In fact, he specifically rejects the opportunity theoretically offered by the Deathly Hallows to gain power over death. Since gaining power over death was an essential part of what Christ was doing, this is a glaring dissimilarity.

Harryâ??s sacrifice gave him no power of redemption. Sinners will still bear the consequences of their sins and Harry will have nothing to do with saving their souls. The only soul that Harry saved is his own.

But...the similarities exist, and the differences exist.

Some will say that what matters is what Rowling intended. Did she mean us to think of Harry as a Christ figure.

But I say, so what if she did? Or didnâ??t?

When you say that a literary character resembles Christ or fulfills a christic function in a story, what does that actually mean? How is the storyâ??s effect on the reader changed by such a thingâ??except insofar as the reader notices the christicity of the character and is distracted from the story by wondering if the writer is committing the sin of allegory?

Whatever Rowling intended, here is what she did: She made Harry so real, so detailed, so believable, so completely himself, that if we are reading properly, we do not experience the last book analytically, we experience it emotionally. What matters to us is not that someone resembling Christ is going through these adventures, but rather that Harry Potter is.

The moral, as the aesthetic, quality of a work of literature is not seriously influenced by what other works of art or real-world events or artifacts the story might call to mind. OSC Blog

Me, I just love the books. Anyone who can think of them as satanic had might as well write off most children's fairy tales. I mean, there was a witch in Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, wasn't there?

[LifeOnaPlate]

Orson Scott Card has written about the Harry/Christ similarities on his blog:

Me, I just love the books. Anyone who can think of them as satanic had might as well write off most children's fairy tales. I mean, there was a witch in Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty, wasn't there?

I believe the argument against that is the fact that Harry is the hero of the book, and to be seen as admirable, whereas other witches are demonized. But hey, I don't really know what their rationale would be.

[Paul Ray]

Behold, my soul delighteth in proving unto my people the truth of the coming of Christ; for, for this end hath the law of Moses been given; and all things which have been given of God from the beginning of the world, unto man, are the typifying of him. â?? 2 Nephi 11:4

There is a basis for good and evil in every story.

[cinepro]

When I read Book 6, I totally wished Harry could have restored Dumbledore's strength with a priesthood blessing. If only Harry was LDS! Then the book might have ended differently.

[LifeOnaPlate]

When I read Book 6, I totally wished Harry could have restored Dumbledore's strength with a priesthood blessing. If only Harry was LDS! Then the book might have ended differently.

D. Michael, is that you?!

[consiglieri]

I don't know what'd be worse.....a Sweet Transvestite from Transexual Transylavania or a lawyer.

Alright being a lawyer's worse. They're inherently evil

Well, at least it is easier to say "lawyer."

And I don't have to wear fishnets, either.

Unless I want.

[Tsuzuki]

"beliefs! arrrgh!"

The battle cry of the paradigm pirate.

[Paul Ray]

"beliefs! arrrgh!"

rhinomelon has pirate hats... or at least he did, the last time that I checked.