consiglieri Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Dr. Gleason Archer, an authority on the ancient Middle East and the Old Testament, made the following declaration in 1973:In 1 Nephi 2:5-8, it is stated that the river Laman emptied into the Red Sea. Yet neither in historic nor prehistoric times has there been any river in Arabia at all that emptied into the Red Sea. Apart from an ancient canal which once connected the Nile with the coast of the Gulf of Suez, and certain wadis which showed occasional rainfall in ancient times, there were no streams of any kind emptying into the Red Sea on the western shore above the southern border of Egypt.Archer, Gleason, L. A Survey of Old Testament Introduction. (Chicago: Moody Press, 1973, revised 1996), pp. 501-04.This argument conclusively demonstrates that the Book of Mormon is a fraud.All the Best!--Consiglieri
Doctor Steuss Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 There goes my testimony... (well, at least until I visit Potterâ??s site to get it back).Luvs, Hugs, and Iraqi Scuds,Stu(pendous)
charity Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 I know I sound like a broken record, but this kind of thing should make all the critics who talk about what has and hasn't been found in Meso-America sit on their own pronouncements about the lack of proof/evidence for New World sites, as well.
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 OK all you can download google earth for free.Download: Google EarthI LOVE this program! You can zoom in on your address and see your house from above 6 months ago.Here's the coordinates...Granite CanyonLattitude: 28
bluebell Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 alright, someone fill me in on the joke here. I'm guessing that other evidence was found that makes this man's claims sound really silly-but since i've never heard about any of this yet i'm not exactly following the point of the thread.Maybe i'm the only one confused.... Edit-looks like zakuska already did it-thanks!
SolarPowered Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Google Earth. Yes!Last year at the time of the "Dubai Ports World" scandal, I went looking around Arabia with Google Earth. I noticed something quite interesting--The "more fertile parts" that Lehi & Co. traveled through were actually green, while the rest of Arabia was a very dead, reddish-brown sand color.Clearly, Joseph Smith, or perhaps Sidney Rigdon, had access to Google Earth. Possibly at the Cornell University Library.
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 For those who do not want to download anything...Heres the picture... Warning: Its kind of Big.Granite Canyon - Valley of Lemuel, River Laman, Wadi Tayyib al-ism
The Dude Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Google Earth. Yes!Last year at the time of the "Dubai Ports World" scandal, I went looking around Arabia with Google Earth. I noticed something quite interesting--The "more fertile parts" that Lehi & Co. traveled through were actually green, while the rest of Arabia was a very dead, reddish-brown sand color.Clearly, Joseph Smith, or perhaps Sidney Rigdon, had access to Google Earth. Possibly at the Cornell University Library. What does it matter if it's green now, or in 1830? Lehi & co travelled there 2,600 years ago. What was it like in 600BC?
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Well... many of ancient water holes have mud brick and rock dwellings and fortifications around them. They date to the right time.
The Dude Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Well... many of ancient water holes have mud brick and rock dwellings and fortifications around them. They date to the right time. But 1 Nephi doesn't mention dwellings and fortifications in the so-called "wilderness".
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Does it need to? Nahom was obvisouly previously named and settled. To survive in this "wilderness" without water would have been quite the Miracle. Remember... they are following the Frankincense Trade Route.
Ray Agostini Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 This is a new one to me: "Google Earth Archaeology". I thought archaeologists dug in to the ground, not sitting at home viewing Google Earth. Okay. Were the Olmec Jaredites? How many of the Olmec survived and mingled with the Nephite culture? According to the BoM, only one did, Coriantumr. And he survived a battle down to the last man. How then did Olmec influence and culture transfer through one man? This is not what the record says about the Olmec. It says many integrated with Mayan culture, and that it "flourished" until 400BC. The Olmec flourished during the Formative (or Preclassic), dating from 1200 BC to about 400 BC, and are believed to have been the progenitor civilization of later Mesoamerican civilizations.Yet according to the BoM, all of this was transferred through ONE man.
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 I think you got the wrong thread... this one is about the none existant river in Arabia.DOH! :blush:
Ray Agostini Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 I think you got the wrong thread... this one is about the none existant river in Arabia.DOH! :blush:No, I don't because you are talking about "Google Earth".
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Yes we are talking about google earth... and giving a place for people to independently verify Brother Potter's findings. The Olmec are on the other thread.http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index.php...21404&st=80
Paul Ray Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Oh, great.Why on Earth do I have this song stuck in my head now?Well, at least I know how to share. Enjoy all. Chorus:Slip sliding away, Slip sliding away,You know the nearer your destination, the more you're slip sliding awayWhoah and I know a man, he came from my hometownHe wore his passion for his woman like a thorny crownHe said Dolores!, I live in fear!My love for you is so overpowering, I'm afraid that I will disappearChorusI know a woman, (who) became a wife.These are the very words she uses to describe her lifeShe said a good day ain't got no rainShe said a bad day is when I lie in the bed and I think of things that might have beenChorusAnd I know a father who had a sonHe longed to tell him all the reasons for the things he'd doneHe came a long way just to explainHe kissed his boy as he lay sleeping then he turned around and he headed home againChorusWhoah God only knows, God makes his planThe informations unavailable to the mortal manWere workin our jobs, collect our pay, believe were gliding down the highway when in fact we're slip sliding awayChorus repeats 2x
Jerubaal Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 This is a new one to me: "Google Earth Archaeology". I thought archaeologists dug in to the ground, not sitting at home viewing Google Earth. Okay. Were the Olmec Jaredites? How many of the Olmec survived and mingled with the Nephite culture? According to the BoM, only one did, Coriantumr. And he survived a battle down to the last man. How then did Olmec influence and culture transfer through one man? This is not what the record says about the Olmec. It says many integrated with Mayan culture, and that it "flourished" until 400BC. Yet according to the BoM, all of this was transferred through ONE man.A close reading of the second paragraph of the Book of Mormon Title Page would reveal otherwise. But that's not the purpose of this thread, now is it?
BCSpace Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 What does it matter if it's green now, or in 1830? Lehi & co travelled there 2,600 years ago. What was it like in 600BC?Indeed. 2000 years ago, North Africa was a verdant bread basket for the Carthage and Rome. Why not Saudi Arabia? There are several world-wide climate changing events in human history, one of which is the 535 A.D. event which affected that part of the world.
consiglieri Posted January 30, 2007 Author Posted January 30, 2007 No, I don't because you are talking about "Google Earth".It appears that RayA would rather not argue that Dr. Archer has proven the Book of Mormon to be a fraud.How come?
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 It appears I confused him when I put a link from the Olmec thread over to this thread.I wonder if Sister Tanner is ever going to write a Rebuttle? It's been 3 years now.
Ray Agostini Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 OK all you can download google earth for free.Download: Google EarthI LOVE this program! You can zoom in on your address and see your house from above 6 months ago.Here's the coordinates...Granite CanyonLattitude: 28
HiJolly Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 What does it matter if it's green now, or in 1830? Lehi & co travelled there 2,600 years ago. What was it like in 600BC?Weeelll, let me check the Google Earth archives.... um... YES! There it is -- yup, green! While I'm here, let's check 0 BC... Ah, I had to go into Google Space (powered by Hubble) and man, that's an impressive sight! I'd better post it! STAR HiJolly
BCSpace Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 While I'm here, let's check 0 BC... Ah, I had to go into Google Space (powered by Hubble) and man, that's an impressive sight! I'd better post it! STAR You need to apply the flux capacitor.
Zakuska Posted January 30, 2007 Posted January 30, 2007 Does this have nothing to do with Google Earth? So who diverted the thread?Yes this was posted on the other thread about the olmecs... as well, and as to not derail the Olmec thread with the Old world Archeology, Cosiglieri made this thread and over there I linked to this with a disclaimer.
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