Zakuska Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 What I found intresting is the spelling.Heres a 1760-ish Map naming it Nehhm. A modern day 1970-ish map spelled it Nehem. How did Joseph know to change the name to Nahom? I mean with his plagaristic leanings you'd think he would be able to do a much better job than that!
Not quite me Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 What I found intresting is the spelling.Heres a 1760-ish Map naming it Nehhm. A modern day 1970-ish map spelled it Nehem. How did Joseph know to change the name to Nahom? I mean with his plagaristic leanings you'd think he would be able to do a much better job than that! It was obviously a conspiracy to throw folks like you off.
why me Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 How did Joseph know to change the name to Nahom? I mean with his plagaristic leanings you'd think he would be able to do a much better job than that! This is a mystery. I am sure that at the time he had a lapse of reflection. This can happen to people with superior intelligence. However, we should not lose hope because of this. I am still amazed just how intelligent Joseph was along with his cohort Sidney. They spent hours and hours along with Hyrum concocting the book of mormon...the farm did not matter, nor did food. They worked and worked at it and unfortunately, there will be loss of reflection at times...but lets not lose heart.
Zakuska Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 This is a mystery. I am sure that at the time he had a lapse of reflection. This can happen to people with superior intelligence. However, we should not lose hope because of this. I am still amazed just how intelligent Joseph was along with his cohort Sidney. They spent hours and hours along with Hyrum concocting the book of mormon...the farm did not matter, nor did food. They worked and worked at it and unfortunately, there will be loss of reflection at times...but lets not lose heart. The only reason the farm and food didn't matter was all the treasure digging they where doin in them thar hills, matey. It was quite a lucrative business ya know, drawing up all those phoney Black beard maps and scaming their neighbors.
consiglieri Posted January 31, 2007 Author Posted January 31, 2007 But what I want to know is whether there were any nonexistent rivers in upstate New York where they were doing the treasure digging.
Zakuska Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 Sadly... Brother Potter informed me that becuase of Bedoin water pumping projects, Even this continually flowing river will be nonexistant in less than 5 years.
consiglieri Posted January 31, 2007 Author Posted January 31, 2007 Sadly... Brother Potter informed me that becuase of Bedoin water pumping projects, Even this river continually flowing river will be nonexistant in less than 5 years.Groovy. Then all the critics have to do is sit back and wait. Pretty soon the evidence will be gone and we will be back where we started from.Alternate Question: I watched the DVD Journey of Faith, and was surprised to see no live photos of the River of Laman or the Valley of Lemuel; only drawings. Was there some problem there? Does anybody know?
Zakuska Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 I think probably it was because brother Potter kind of blind sided them. It seems it was probably in production for some time. Then he comes along with his Fair Conference presentation and they probably had to back track and re-edit that section at the last minute.
consiglieri Posted January 31, 2007 Author Posted January 31, 2007 I think it would actually be easier to splice in some footage of a river than to have somebody draw a beautiful sketch that is based upon a photo, which it appeared to me was the case. I suspect lawyers were involved.
Zakuska Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 I don't know, could be.All, I recieved permishion from Brother Potter to share the google earth file. If you'd like it just PM me. (Ill try to keep my in box emptied).I did not realize this but you can actually 3 Dimensionally drive the trail Potter does in the movies! Which means you can actually visit the topographical map and follow Nephi on his journey from Jerusalem to Bountiful. 3 Dimensionally walk down the granite Canyon- Valley of Lemual. see the 70 date opalsm and the wells of moses.This program rocks!
consiglieri Posted January 31, 2007 Author Posted January 31, 2007 This sounds great. I am up for some, if you don't mind.And since you're in contact with Potter, maybe you could ask him about the Journey of Faith video.How come he's not in it? What's up?
Zakuska Posted January 31, 2007 Posted January 31, 2007 Well its actually Timothy Sedor Im in contact with. Apparently he's taking care of the Website for George. I clicked on George's email and Sedors came up. He's who sent me the file.What you can do is once you have google earth up and load this file you can get a satellite view of the proposed trail, but you can also use the sliders next to the compass to set the angualr view so you can zoom in and actually see the terrain 3 dimensionally. They've got the whole proposed trail marked out and... like Potter says in his presentations... If Lehi was a Bowling ball He couldn't help but end up where he did in the Valley of Lemuel.I'll see what I can find out but perhaps Dr. petersen or Dr. Hamblin can chime in.Consig is the only one that wants it?I thought the Critics would be jumping all over this one at a chance to prove something wrong.
Platypus Man Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 OK so about that nonexistant river?Has anyone looked at Google earth yet?Br. Potter emailed me a google earth file with there suggested points for location of things. If he gives permision. PM me and Ill send it.I downloaded Google earth and looked at the picture you sent. I didn't necessairly see a continually flowing river, although I definately did see that large amounts of water does flow down that particular path.I haven't seen the video yet, but what evidence is there that this was once a continually flowing river (or what could be classified as a continually flowing river) there in the past?BTW, can you message me the map as well? Thanks.
Hammer Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 Dr. Gleason Archer, an authority on the ancient Middle East and the Old Testament, made the following declaration in 1973:In 1 Nephi 2:5-8, it is stated that the river Laman emptied into the Red Sea. Yet neither in historic nor prehistoric times has there been any river in Arabia at all that emptied into the Red Sea. Apart from an ancient canal which once connected the Nile with the coast of the Gulf of Suez, and certain wadis which showed occasional rainfall in ancient times, there were no streams of any kind emptying into the Red Sea on the western shore above the southern border of Egypt.Archer, Gleason, L. A Survey of Old Testament Introduction. (Chicago: Moody Press, 1973, revised 1996), pp. 501-04.This argument conclusively demonstrates that the Book of Mormon is a fraud.All the Best!--ConsiglieriAm I to understand that neither the canal, nor the rainfilled wadis could be considered rivers? OR did I miss something?
Fortigurn Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 Small wadi invisible even to high definition satellite photography discovered somewhere in Arabia. Mormons claim discovery is Book of Mormon perennial 'river Laman' of unspecified location which existed in 7th-6th century BC.News at 11.
flavo Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 But 1 Nephi doesn't mention dwellings and fortifications in the so-called "wilderness". Just because it has a building that negates it being wilderness? People say I live in the wilderness because I live out in the woods far from a main road.
Fortigurn Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 Am I to understand that neither the canal, nor the rainfilled wadis could be considered rivers? OR did I miss something?A canal is not a river, and nor is a wadi. A wadi is 'a dry riverbed that contains water only during times of heavy rain'. It is certainly not a perennial river.Alternate Question: I watched the DVD Journey of Faith, and was surprised to see no live photos of the River of Laman or the Valley of Lemuel; only drawings. Was there some problem there? Does anybody know?Yes, the problem is that the 'River of Laman' doesn't exist. That's why you don't have any 'live photos' of it. If you want some photos of Wadi Tayyib al-ism with water in it, you have to wait for heavy rain. It's not a river, after all.
consiglieri Posted February 1, 2007 Author Posted February 1, 2007 Yes, the problem is that the 'River of Laman' doesn't exist. That's why you don't have any 'live photos' of it. If you want some photos of Wadi Tayyib al-ism with water in it, you have to wait for heavy rain. It's not a river, after all.Actually, the River of Laman does exist. I have seen photos of it, as well as actual footage. It has been documented.My question was merely why the photos and footage were not included in a particular DVD.Now that you know it has been documented, I will await the customary response that just because it exists today doesn't mean it existed 2,600 years ago.Your turn.All the Best!--Consiglieri
Fortigurn Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 Actually, the River of Laman does exist. I have seen photos of it, as well as actual footage. It has been documented.Really? Where?My question was merely why the photos and footage were not included in a particular DVD.And I gave you the answer.Now that you know it has been documented...I'm sorry, but I haven't seen evidence for any such thing. I've seen some people talking about Wadi Tayyib al-ism. Is that what you had in mind? A dry riverbed occasionally filled with rainfall runoff?See this? Show me the river in that picture which runs into the Red Sea. There's nothing inland there but rock and dry sand, as far as the eye can see.
Zakuska Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 <Later that Evening>Mormons today enveiled the secret location of the legendary and often ridiculed "river of Laman" and "valley of Lemuel". All though the resolution of the "high definition" satelitte images obtained of the area are quite grainy and pixelated you can still make out each and every location where ground crews obtained exlusive footage. http://www.nephiproject.com/nephi_project_...discoveries.htmMore exclusive footage. Coming to a blog near you... You heard it first on MA&D.-----------------------------Perhaps if people would actually read the thread before they shoot their mouth off they might learn something and not look quite so foolish. I'm sorry, but I haven't seen evidence for any such thing. I've seen some people talking about Wadi Tayyib al-ism. Is that what you had in mind? A dry riverbed occasionally filled with rainfall runoff?Thanks for conceeding that it is infact "a river bed"... but dry? Potter and others have been there at various seasons of the year. It flows year round.The canyon itself shows heavy errosion in the granite walls so the river flowed much stronger in years past. Strong enough to fill itself up with sand and pebbles. That doesn't mean that the river doesn't still flow underground... over the top of the bedrock and under the deposited rubble all the way to the red sea.
AndyOne Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 That's quite a river! I wonder if Laman was offended by his father's low expectations.
Fortigurn Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 <Later that Evening>Mormons today enveiled the secret location of the legendary and often ridiculed "river of Laman" and "valley of Lemuel". All though the resolution of the "high definition" satelitte images obtained of the area are quite grainy and pixelated you can still make out each and every location where ground crews obtained exlusive footage.I'm sorry, but none of those photos show a river, still less a river running into the Red Sea.Thanks for conceeding that it is infact "a river bed"...That is not a 'concesssion'. That is the definition of a wad, which the Mormons here have helpfully identified this place as.but dry?Yes, that's the definition of a wadi, a dry riverbed which is occasionally filled with heavy rains.Potter and others have been there at various seasons of the year. It flows year round.Obviously not.
Zakuska Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 I'm sorry, but none of those photos show a river, still less a river running into the Red Sea.Why Becuase you say so?Your going to have to do a LOT better than that. That is not a 'concesssion' [sic]. That is the definition of a wad [sic], which the Mormons here have helpfully identified this place as.Well first its a wadi... which means valley.wa
consiglieri Posted February 1, 2007 Author Posted February 1, 2007 Thanks, Zak.I had a feeling someone was going to be eating crow real soon.Tuck in!You da man.
Zakuska Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 That's quite a river! I wonder if Laman was offended by his father's low expectations.See blue section in above post.
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