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The idea that Jesus was somehow fully human and had no physical defects is to say He wasn’t actually human in a way we would understand. I am not saying he had to be infertile but if every physical attribute was “perfect” then he didn’t suffer infirmity the way humans in general do and missed out.

Well, he spent a lot of time with 12 guys and one of them talked about how much Jesus loved him so……. *duck, cover, and run*

Definitely a cultural thing. Part of it is a weird blend of homophobia and toxic masculinity anything appearing vaguely feminine being horrible. Of course just about everything in terms of dress that is now seen as feminine was at some time masculine. Men limit what they can wear and punish dissenters by ostracism and turn around and police what women can wear under threat of slut-shaming. It is almost as if we just hate everyone.

A lot of the stuff you are talking about is fantasy conspiracy.

This is a mish mash of various conspiracy theories. The current administration promised to release the Epstein files. Then they decided not to. It is not even subtle as to why that is:

In practice this leads to syncretism and the Church is usually not fond of it. Catholics were much more forgiving of it.

No.

My question about that verse is its incompatibility with this one: “And it came to pass that I, Nephi, said unto my father: I will go and do the things which the Lord hath commanded, for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.” So does the Lord always provide a way or not?

This. The stress and emotion that came from this monitoring hit a lot of people hard. Now to turn around and say it wasn’t that important comes across as dismissive and irresponsible. Also tendency to take anything the Church “reveals” with a lot of salt. It might reverse and you get told it doesn’t matter as much anymore. Or worse, that it never mattered and you just ‘misunderstood’.

They will sometimes post material after a specific amount of money is raised. Basically a form of crowdfunding. Sounds like sensational fantasies. Pizzagate? Oh boy. Yeah, this stuff is designed to bring in fascists. Gotta have a reason that we need to purge the undesirables. That sounds like someone spreading conspiracy nonsense. Works in international finance (dogwhistle for Jews) and they just randomly invite him to a satanic child sacrifice ritual. Yeah…sure. Also why would you have a satanic child sacrifice? What is the draw? This is not how humans work.

A lot of the child pornography community works on the darkweb and not on the conventional internet.

I think the term “I am convinced that X is Y” is probably more literally accurate but I doubt it would catch on.

The one thing that confused me about these maps is how Simeon is supposed to be one of the Lost tribes. I mean Benjamin and Judah make sense as being part of the southern kingdom but Simeon is way south.

Uhhhhhh…….there are lots of socially acceptable prejudices.

Yeah, they aren’t good at hiding. They often just give off the pretense of respectability.

They are usually open secrets. Think Mafia type stuff. You may not know about every plot but you know there is corruption going on. The warning in the Book of Mormon isn’t to ferret the combinations out. The warning is not to join them. They also aren’t satanic worshipping. From what we have in scripture the oaths are made in the name of God.

Child abuse is real. Satanic child abuse is almost entirely mythical.

No, to kick off the whole thing in general.

The instigator was a therapist who basically did the recovered memories thing and later married the patient and they went on tour. The whole thing made no sense if you thought about it. Supposed rituals in a park at night in a suburban neighborhood right across the street from homes, her being taken away for weeks for rituals and there was no record of her missing school, and the like. This also reminds me of some of the Salem witch hunt trials relying on what is called spectral evidence. After Salem the consensus was you don’t use that. The European witch trials were in many ways worse what with the torture and all. The weird ironic thing is the Inquisition was created to prevent people getting killed and turned into what it was trying to stop. And I definitely don’t mean to pick on the Catholics. The Prostestants were much more into the witch hunting thing.

Newest player in my group is in her 50s. Not too old.

So you are going to take the words of a serial liar and see his insane conspiracy theories as the fulfillment of prophecy? The last 50 moral panics went nowhere but this one…..this could be the real deal!!!!!! Sure……uh huh. The reason moral panics work is people want to believe them. It gives them an enemy. Makes their life more exciting and gives meaning. It is usually the conspiracy mongers that are the devilish ones. As C.S. Lewis said:

Tale as old as time. Just keeps rhyming. The elites are practicing pedophilia and stealing the blood of children is just reworked Jewish blood libel. The whole witch craze in the early modern period was a moral panic. It is a lot more like this satanic conspiracy than many know. The ‘elaborated theory of witchcraft’ (name some scholars use to describe the witch craze) was not just a bunch of people suspecting crones of wrecking the weather. It was believed to be an international conspiracy where witches (mostly women) were carried away to a satanic church or sometimes a synagogue (because anti-semitism just makes every crazy conspiracy better I suppose) and they would have perverse orgies with Satan and demons. Then they would go out to use their magic to fight Christendom and try to bring things down. This was seen as a sign of the end of days. The irony is that the whole witch craze got the idea of what witches were like from the Malleus Maleficarum, a pamphlet created by a priest. That priest was basically a sex pest who made a woman’s life hell to the point that the law got involved. Then he wrote about how women were evil and their sexiness came from Satan and all that fun stuff. He would have fit right in with the “walking pornography” type stuff of our day in some Christian churches. Kramer, the writer, got thrown out of Tyrol for being a nut. He wrote the thing as a kind of revenge or self-justification about how he was wronged. Top theologians in the Inquisition said it was all wrong. Then one pope spoke of it approvingly and the whole salacious nature of it made it popular. Sex sells and all of that. The big shift was that magic was a sin before. People tried to practice it anyways but it was like fornication or gluttony or any other sin. It is a sin but you confess and repent and move on. Kramer insisted that satanic magic was real and was actually heresy. So suddenly practicing magic wasn’t just a sin. It was a defiance of the faith itself. Then things went crazy. Before this magic was usually seen as a delusion or fraud. Now it was suddenly real and came straight from the devil! So people died in droves. Mostly women. King James (yes, that King James) bought into the witch craze and assumed many unlucky events in his life were coordinated by this cabal of witches. His underlings were glad to let him put the blame on witches because in some cases it was probably their fault. The Q-Anon conspiracy has a similar theology. The worst sins come from secret traitors to the nation as a whole. They commit secret depraved rites. There was even a Second Coming equivalent where the anointed President chosen by God would expose all the evil “deep state” witches and kill them all en masse. They always involve incredibly improbable conspiracies involving large numbers of people that somehow all communicate and coordinate together even when they have no reason to. They make no sense if you think about them and have a basic understanding of what actually motivates people. Ballard is a little late to the party on this conspiracy cycle and it probably won’t catch on. I wouldn’t worry. We will do this again in a few years with a new flavor. Communists, Satanists, Deep State….what new imaginary enemy within will we think is about to wipe us out?

New research that PROVES critics wrong!!!! Then presents decades old research and theories. I remember some of the arguments on this board and its predecessors. Also that would be a really really stupid cipher. The ciphers are whole concepts and ideas that take two sentences to write out. How often would they be repeated that you would need that specific word? The “pure language” thing was a real thing though. John Dee got caught up in and/or scammed by it. The Enochian angelic conversations he had also involved the secrets of eternity and also a desire to find lost treasure.

Did you mean DEFCON 2? DEFCON 4 is a relatively low level of readiness. That was the alert level the US went to when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Low level increase due to heightened tensions or activities. I know this is a minor point but I am tired and pedantic right now.

I demand a lack of racist dogwhistles, stupid ‘gotcha’ debate tactics against college kids, and outright deliberatefalsehoods. If that is perfection then I demand it. It is still hilarious to me that this guy is somehow being venerated. I first encountered him as “the diaper protest guy”. People treating him as serious is just whiplash. He didn’t deserve to die. He also wasn’t a martyr or some kind of quasi-saint. His message was hateful. There is a reason no one is throwing up inspiring quotes from him. Instead they talk about how he fought for free speech or something. He didn’t. He just used free speech….to say garbage and stir up anger and hatred. Wait, you support a British group? Not Labour? OHHHHHH, a Lord BucketHead supporter? I love that guy!