The Nehor

Decorum is overrated and no, no gravity. I care about the issue. I have transgender friends who have been assaulted because they are transgender. You are playing with abstract concepts that have no meaning to you beyond church dogma and the stupid culture war authoritarians use as a destraction. I had an envoy of magical cookie making elves visit me and give me the Keebler Peace Prize for my efforts. Nope, it is the same. All religions regularly set aside things or come up with “clarifications” about things. Catholicism for example has not been static in its beliefs or practices for over a millenium. This is what they provide to transgender people? Generic quotes that have no special bearing or focus on transgender people? Wow, how uninspiring. Yeah you do. You’ll make every imaginable excuse for the church and if even a smidgen of doubt exists hold onto that as a victory. What is probable or likely, even overwhelmingly probable, can be dismissed by the small possibility it is wrong. If I wanted such a debate I definitely wouldn’t have it with you. Your approach primarily involves opinion pieces and scare articles. It would be like arguing in Congress. And you say that whether it is true or not so what does it matter what I say.

When I respond with analysis and reasoning you dismiss it for fallacious reasons. Why bother being serious if you won’t be? There is no one to be won over. If a position disagrees with church dogma you will reject it. Insisting you are using critical analysis while adhering to dogma is a contradiction. There is no way for me to win. The game is rigged. Also you didn’t enjoy the Lady Gaga song parody? YOU PHILISTINE!!!!!!! I am sure. I have seen people refer to it as such.

I don’t believe you. If it were only this topic I might but I have seen you buy into many ridiculous arguments. The common factor is that when you do so it is an argument in service to church dogma. It is a blind spot. Perhaps you are reasonable in other areas. I don’t know. You act like we are holding some monumental debate. We aren’t. You post opinion pieces that occasionally appeal to facts. I sometimes refute them. Even if the refutation is sound you refuse to accept it. There is nothing being established or clarified here. We know you are a gender essentialist. Also that you think kids knowing that queer people exist is somehow “sexualizing’ them. So at first you claimed that transgender people were dying at a lower rate per capita and now you seem to be acknowledging that is not true but are instead going to argue that they aren’t being killed because they are transgender. Ugh……..of course we must give the benefit of doubt to the murderer. When everyone is demonizing transgender people and them being killed is on the rise we should assume the attacker wasn’t targeting them for their (often) obvious characteristic. Also I love that you put “he” in there. I am guessing you are thinking of transwomen here and intentionally misgendering them while (as usual) erasing transmen. This is why I am convinced that you know nothing and despite your claims of being well read haven’t actually read stuff you disagree with. After sex is one of the most dangerous times for a transgender person. They know this. They will tell you this. They warn new transgender people about this. Particularly if it is a casual sex or sex worker hookup. Many transphobes (usually cis men) are attracted to transgender people. When horny they seek one out. Their lust carries them through the encounter and then they hit what is sometimes called post-nut clarity. They are no longer horny and driven by lust and they realize what they have done and hate it. Instead of hating themselves and taking responsibility they blame their partner and imagine they have been tricked or seduced. Their masculinity is at risk and they lash out in defense of it and assault and (more rarely) kill their partner. A similar thing can happen with cishet men with cishet women if they are attracted to someone they also hate. Sometimes this is racism or classism or some other form of bigotry. It is less common per capita as it is less of a threat to their sense of masculinity. I can say I have experienced a similar reaction. In my days of sin and vice I hooked up with some “straight” guys looking to experiment with another guy. When sex was over they would clearly be disgusted with themselves. Most fled. A few turned violent. Luckily I was able to repel the few times I was physically attacked. This is what good wholesome Christian homophobia and transphobia does to a lot of men. Makes them hate people they are attracted to. So they are somehow being killed more than cis people because……what? Few acts of violence are totally random. If you attack someone “at random” and the chosen target is a transgender person it is probably transphobia. Congrats, you discovered what I said above. So now you are focusing on transgender people having a “duty to disclose” to avoid being assaulted. Most would agree there is a duty to disclose. I know almost every transgender person I have been with has. Instead you focus on deception and give rhetorical cover to the person assaulting. It is fun finding areas where ostensible Christians get deeply interested in the rights of people soliciting casual sex and johns seeking out sex workers. When a transgender person involved they must not victimize the cishet person by not being completely up front. Do I need to go into the endless deceptions cishet men frequently use to get someone into bed with them? I am trying to imagine how you get married without realizing your partner is transgender. There is so much paranoia about this. We must not be tricked!!!!!!!! Transgender people might give me funny feelings for the WRONG kind of person. Fear turns to hate. Why do you keep asking for reasons transgender people are targeted for violence when you are bringing up the reasons yourself? A poster on this site once talked openly and matter of factly about how being “tricked” by a transgender woman would lead him to attacking her when he found out. There are incidents where a guy catcalls at a transgender woman on the street, discovers she is transgender, and then assaults her for ‘tricking’ him. That is toxic masculinity for you. Existing while transgender is a threat. Welp, throw it out then. We don’t have signed confessions from every act of violence against a transgender person so the fact that they are being assaulted more per capita must have nothing to do with transphobia. “I don’t want to think about how my rhetoric might contribute to violence so I am not listening.” Not welcome.

It is either that or join the Oneida Perfectionists.

Except that is not what scripture says (or meant). If you haven’t found a huge loophole yet you obviously aren’t megarich and are one of those filthy poors. Same. Can I charge myself advisor fees? Depends on if the price of gold has gone up or down an equivalent amount. Kolob is still on the gold standard. Only on Tuesdays.

Okay, maybe I was being unfair. You took the time to copy and paste a lot of links to articles and videos that ostensibly support your positions so I should do the same. A transgender group discussing how pursuing fashion options brings fulfillment. A group of transgender people discussing how to help a friend who wants to detransition President Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance discussing transgender issues in a nuanced way And for those who think there is an epidemic of minors getting transgender surgeries enjoy this handy chart: An article refuting common anti-transgender talking points Let me know if you need more.

The biblical literalism thing is mostly a modern thing that only really took off on the USA. Part of the legacy of being descendants of the religious wackos no one in Europe wanted I suppose.

I recognize some of those articles. True. False. Just say it flatters what you want to believe so you believe it. You don’t have to pretend to finding it interesting on some neutral level. I found this “INTERESTING”: https://reports.hrc.org/an-epidemic-of-violence-2024

Cool, you reposted a bunch of stuff I have previously refuted yet again. And your conclusion at the end there is a lot of meaningless untrue rhetoric. And violence against transgender people is much much more pervasive than violence by transgender people as all studies show so you again demonstrate you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Unless of course you are victim-blaming and suggesting violence would decrease if transgender people would just stop existing so the transphobes you align with didn’t have targets to unleash their anger at. Of course even if that were the case they would just attack and ostracize cis people who look a little androgynous. Gotta have your moral panic that will hurt a lot of people before again being shown to be nonsense. Then nothing will be learned and the next moral panic will start. Hooray for useless moralizing religious bigots!

I am old enough to remember having a third hour and we still didn’t get answers to these kinds of questions. Would really require prophetic clarification or maybe a fourth hour?

You trust vaccine-denier and known quack RFK Jr’s politicized HHS to tell the truth about medicine? LMAO Oh, and that opinion piece is written by well known anti-transgender activists and wants to explain that it is okay, this was mostly written by liberals so you can trust us. I guess it fooled you but I don’t think many who support transgender rights will fall for it. Credulity does seem to abound in many these days. This isn’t a shift in the general medical consensus which is still in the developed world following the consensus of data on how to help transgender people. That rogue cranks have been handed control over a government agency doesn’t change that. It just means we have idiots in charge of the HHS who are hard at work making measles great again. This is pathetic.

I hate this kind of disingenuous garbage. Why was Saul commanded to kill all of the Amalekites? If only there was a prophet there to explain….oh wait, there was? If only that prophet communicated the reason God wanted them all dead….oh wait, he did? Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***. So clear as crystal. They were being genocided because their ancestors a couple of hundred years ago attacked the people of Israel. Wait, what? Why? Ummmmm….. But according to the manual the more important question is what moral lesson can we learn from the incorrect methodology of this attempted genocide. To obey the divine command for maximum genocide is better than to save some of the wealth for sacrifice. I am going to disagree with the manual and am more interested in asking why God is ordering vengeance genocide for crimes committed centuries earlier when none of the original perpetrators (assuming it actually happened) were still alive. Focusing on the sacrifice bit is like straining at a gnat while swallowing a caravan of camels. Also why would we take the lesson of Samuel seriously after this? This guy is literally the one who is passing on the divine genocide command from God. Should we really be trying to pick up moral lessons from this guy’s words instead of figuring out what went wrong here? Is he a pretender prophet? Is God ordering the killing for some unknown reason but is lying about the reasons for it? Is God perfectly okay with the killing and the reason He is giving to justify it? Is this one of those fallible prophet things that God just isn’t that bothered about?

I find “one day when Daddy comes home you will see that I am right” rhetoric childish. Also how petulant and pathetic it makes God sound. I don’t think you are doing Him any favors. Also this kind of ‘inevitable victory’ rhetoric is a path to wickedness. I get the impression sometimes that many Christians would gladly follow Satan if they thought the devils were going to win in the end. They just want to be on the side of the toughest bully.

They don’t have Netflix so they have to make their own fun. Ah yes, the Romans 1 approach to belief. All the non-believers actually know it to be true but reject it out of sheer perverseness. The truth of the gospel is plainly evident to all by default. Because these disgusting people didn’t recognize the one true God who is incredibly obvious (Paul was a really bad historian) God let them become perverse and that is the origin story of queer people, murderers, greed, and deception which are absent amongst those who are devoted to Christ (lmao). And especially gossip. Everyone knows Christian church members abhor gossip and it is never found within them. So all these horrible sinners and gay people deserve destruction. This is a common American Evangelical trope. You didn’t come up with this. You picked it up from apostate Christianity because of the culture and media you choose to consume. Or they are just unconvinced by it. Saying that something would be pleasant to believe is not evidence that it is true. That is just wishful thinking on steroids. The doctrine of preaching to the dead exists because it is blatantly obvious that God isn’t fair to his children here in regards to giving all an opportunity to accept the gospel. Then a scenario pops up that we cannot observe that seems to neatly fix the whole problem. Suppose a leader were to run a very unfair political and economic system that provides advantages to a few and disadvantages to a much larger group but also offers a retirement plan where everything will be made right and you will live in bliss afterwards. That would sound nice. Then you find out that the retirement plan takes place on an island and no one there can communicate back what is going on. Would you trust that system? And yes, this is also a potential critique or any kind of heaven. The mists of darkness being things like reason and logic?

The various successor states formed during the wars of the Diadochi. The four other sections are, in order, Babylon, the Medes, the Persians, and the Greeks/Macedonians.

Uh-huh. The procedure is not defined. So it doesn’t mean anything. You can’t do non-existent things in secret. Also you are again appealing to insanity. We can’t show it was done so it must have been done in secret. Like the witches holding their dark meetings with all the demon sex. And the satanic child abuse of the 80s. It all likely happened in secret. The lack of evidence IS EVIDENCE!!!!! Okay. You have terrible taste in media. There is a big waiting list for adoptions assuming it is a white newborn baby with no obvious health problems or defects. If you are non-white or older than a toddler you are probably stuck in the system until you age out. Late term abortions are mostly done because the fetus isn’t viable or is severely defective or is likely to damage or kill the mother. Also those adverts are for Crisis Pregnancy Centers (CPCs). They are well-known for not having licensed medical practitioners and for disseminating false medical information. They tend to use outdated and discredited studies, portray falsehoods as a medical consensus, and generally provide sonograms because they believe that experiencing a sonogram discourages women from choosing abortion (it does not). They also use deceptive advertising. Some even advertise themselves as providing abortions. They are scum misrepresenting themselves to trick scared pregnant women. If there is a hell the people running these fraudulent enterprises are going there. Whining about how abortion clinics (who are regulated) are going off the rails after talking about all the great CPC centers are is peak irony. Seriously, CPCs are almost completely unregulated and can lie with impunity. The Religious Right needs to stop being a cesspool of lies and scams if they ever want to have credibility again.

She wanted to die due to her suffering. That is literally what the law was for. She spent a decade trying to alleviate the pain. What more do you want from her?

So you would have evidence but there is a massive conspiracy to cover it all up. Somehow though this vast conspiracy only infiltrated the scientific and statistical world but isn’t covering up random unsubstantiated anecdotes for therefore the anecdotes are proof of the conspiracy and must be true?

There isn’t a cautionary tale in there. Just a lot of suppositions and unsubstantiated anecdotes mixed in with a religious message.

A “partial birth abortion” is a non-medical term created for political purposes. So you are complaining that someone is attempting to divert the conversation from being about a fictional construct.

So you think a theoretical topic is somehow active advocacy? Are you just looking for things to be enraged about?

It took 16 years to learn all this about one of the plainest books ever written? All it took was reading everything everyone else said? Oh, and your inspiration I guess. Give up your preconceived notions and accept my postconceived notions? This is very loaded language. Casting himself as the enlightened one and everyone else controlled by old hidebound traditions. Only some of them? When you start comparing yourself to Jesus it usually means something has gone horribly wrong. Come and learn the gospel of truth that is without price…… …..by buying a premium membership on my site! For your money shall I teach you the truths or scripture that I learned from God Himself!!!! *Jesus appears and starts tossing this guy’s desk around and muttering about a ‘den of thieves’*

Merry Christmas to you too.

Again, the best scriptural reference to anything like abortion does not call it murder. Then there is the scriptural test of bitter waters to check a woman for adultery. If she fails she miscarries and dies due to the poison so there is God encouraging murdering an unborn child for the sins of the mother. But the apostates of Protestantism spoke and we, as the sole living Church that receives revelation from the mouth of God, followed them completely instead of, you know, checking on this. Like capital punishment which is an elective murder. I am using the paradox to destroy myself while stepping outside of time and becoming a God. If I was never born I can be an unchanging God with no beginning or end. Then I can take over all these weirdo pretenders that worked their way up to the position like a bunch of chumps. They have a beginning…….so THEY MUST ALSO HAVE AN END!!!!!!!!

I aborted him.