The Nehor

Having a differing understanding of the gospel is not a pejorative though is it?

That is just a paraphrase from Yoda.

For a government to act against them? Yes, except in cases of war and the like. Do they get due process before getting punched by a private citizen? Probably not. Said private citizen could be prosecuted for assault though.

So how does this work in practice? They have to stop the fans? Or screen out fans that use chants like this?

One thing I hate about these shootings is the endless harping about how harsh rhetoric causes this. I really don’t think it does. I am not even convinced that political views are the main cause. I suspect that is an easy dodge to avoid talking about systemic issues that are leading to a culture of nihilism and hopelessness. Other liberal democracies have harsh political rhetoric without having a culture of mass shootings and targeted political violence.

I am trying to figure out what you are advocating here for? More staunch verbal interactions? Or throwing weight around in other ways?

That is not the reason we aren’t liked though. It is also self-flattery about being “too nice”. I think being seen as bold is more about ego than anything else. It is the desire to be liked and respected which Jesus warned about. The whole bit about if you were of the world they would love you. Not sure how true it is. Many people who are ‘of the world’ are still disliked and despised.

Only if you cross your eyes and squint really hard and believe people who have lied repeatedly. Also it is not really relevant to the real problem. That wasn’t discovered until after he was sent and returned. I am old-school though on the whole classical liberalism thing and believe that everyone deserves basic human rights and am dubious of people who insist some people don’t deserve a day in court or a chance to defend themselves. Finding some people that don’t deserve the protections of law is an old authoritarian trick. Once you accept that some people don’t you can slide that line wherever you want. Hence the endless quest to convince people that at least some immigrants deserve to have no rights (“they’re eating the pets”). Sending people straight to a foreign gulag so they could pretend they were beyond recovery was cruel, inhuman, and vile. The pushback was extreme because it was wrong. It was Guantanamo on steroids. I am proud of the pushback. We were near to the point where being labeled as a gang member without a day in court or a chance to refute that claim meant that that claim alone was enough to send someone to hellish conditions. This kind of cruelty is shameful and disgusting.

I am surprised that so many seem surprised that other Christians don’t consider us to be one of them. I thought that was well known.

Sounds like a typical displacement thing over a failed relationship. After a bad break-up it is easy to maintain the idea that it would have worked if it wasn’t for those ‘meddling kids and their dog’. In other words a belief she would have accepted him if she wasn’t get pressured by her friends and family. It is easier to hate people you don’t care about than the person you wanted to be with. This lets him tell the story that he and his ex are tragic lovers torn apart by external forces and the external forces must pay.

Considering this administrations willingness to send people convicted of no crimes to a prison in El Salvador you will not be surprised to know that transgender people are terrified of what this rhetoric could lead to. I have transgender friends that have moved to blue states hoping they will be safer. A few have left the country. Some hope it will be temporary. Some don’t have those options and are just trying to lay low and hope for the best. Citizens of a nation fleeing to locales where they are less likely to be persecuted or incarcerated or institutionalized when they haven’t committed any crime is not a sign of a healthy liberal democracy.

Cis men are more dangerous on both an absolute and a per-capita level in terms of committing violence. Picking on transgender people for the few among them that are violent is unfair, insane, and vile. Transgender people are safer then men so why do transgender people need to be singled out for concern? Because propagandists are making it seem like they are a threat? Since the beginning of 2013 there have been 5,748 mass shootings in the United States. 5 of the shooters identified as transgender. And one of those is dicey. That person actually identified as non-binary which is a different thing usually though there can be overlap. That shooting was an attack on a gay bar. There are three others that might have been transgender but nothing to support they were. This still makes transgender people safer on a per capita basis than cis men in general. Again, if anyone needs to be singled out as dangerous to themselves and others it is just men. They do almost all the mass shootings. Ask yourself why there are people out there telling you that transgender people are inherently dangerous when the numbers do not back this up. Why would they lie about this? Source for Numbers: https://www.factcheck.org/2025/09/few-mass-shooters-have-been-transgender/

Reports are that the shooter is a former marine who lived in the area and was reportedly deployed to Iraq. He was an automotive tech. One source gives his medals which appear to be pretty standard. Nothing out of the ordinary. He would have had some combat training but unless something went nuts while he was in Iraq (possible) he probably never saw combat.

First conference in a long time in the midde of an apostolic interregnum?

I don’t like this guy. His main complaint is that people are hating the wrong religion. The bigotry is justified but it just needs to be aimed at the right target? Really?

Yeah, I was thinking civil and not criminal offense. Not sure why I called that a misdemeanor. Will probably blame it on being tired.

I got raptured and am looting heaven now.

That is not that long of a shot. In fact it is a pretty short shot. With a scope it wouldn’t take much skill at all to make. If it is a framejob this setup would require a lot of skill and also be incredibly sloppy. There is a human need to believe that what seem to be major events require major and important causes. It is a fault in human reasoning. It is why the JFK assassination is so scrutinized. For such a major event with such a large impact the whole thing seems too mundane and simple. I don’t think this is similar in impact to JFK but in the short term we can expect a lot of conspiracy talk until the hype dies down and then I expect it to die off.

That is objectively not true. Fascism wasn’t around at the time of the founding. There were reprehensible ideologies around like ‘scientific racism’ which led to many evils but it wasn’t fascism. That is going way beyond what the scriptures say. “Please tone down the vile rhetoric. Also my opponents are genocidal self-destructive hellspawn opposed to all that is good and pure!”

If it was just rhetoric I would agree. Instead of asking the hard question in a factual sense as to whether it actually fits the definition of fascism in the academic sense and not just as a rhetorical device. Here is one historian’s breakdown: https://acoup.blog/2024/10/25/new-acquisitions-1933-and-the-definition-of-fascism/

Over half of the people currently detained by ICE have committed no crime. And no being in the US without documentation is not a crime. It is a misdemeanor. The current policy is institutionalized cruelty. Or you could read the actual accounts of legal residents and citizens being scooped up to meet the current exorbitant arrest quotas being set by the administration and stop making up fairy tales that justify cruely. Or read about the inhumane conditions being utilized to hold them that are unjust no matter who you detain. It is worth noting that in the Holocaust the German people were not told what was going on in them. They were called transit or work camps and the like. Propaganda was spread portraying them as humane or temporary and insisting they were filled with hardened criminals. You would have fit right in with the German populace justifying them and calling any attempt to portray them as monstrous to be false. Now, they are not as bad as the concentration camps in the Third Reich got in the end. Currently they are more like they were at the beginning. Hopefully they won’t get that bad. If they do though would you even know about it?

The irony is that the Book of Mormon seems to tacitly accept the Trinity. Also I suspect Athanasius would not be flattered by this extrapolation from what he said. The process of theosis that the early Christians accepted was not like what LDS teach.

This is incorrect. They are being arrested for the color of their skin. The Supreme Court decided that this is cool and good. If they can prove their citizenship or residency (while still in detention which makes it difficult) they might be released. Sometimes they even get to keep the evidence of their legal status if they are lucky. Sometimes they just don’t get it back.

God is always saying He is coming quickly and then just doesn’t show or says He will come tomorrow.

I want to be ready to start looting as soon as they’re gone.