The Nehor

“Stop telling the wealthy how to spend their money. Also poor people are spending their money all wrong.”

Temporarily. When we have lived in a capitalist society we assume it will continue the same way. In a societal collapse the people who know how to build friendships and communities will be successful. The guy alone sitting on a hoard of bullets will make one trade and then get shot with the bullets he just traded away.

In any significant financial crisis where multiple currencies lose much of their value precious metals and money that has no government backing won’t be worth much of anything either.

Ironically while this kind of thing buoys the claims of Jesus being divine now at the time being able to work ritual magic to heal and the like wasn’t proof of divinity at the time. Righteousness maybe but not necessarily divine favor. From what I have read the idea that Jesus (and Peter and the apostles) made supernatural events occur wasn’t that controversial and people of other faiths lumped them in with other people who used magic. Early Christians pushed hard against the idea that they were magicians because they wanted to use the miracles as proof of divinity. This is probably one of the main reasons magical practices were forbidden in the early church. Some Christians practiced magic anyways of course.

And if you strip out all the ‘good teaching’ bits and the ‘claiming to be God or His Son’ bits he becomes an expert exorcist and healer.

Generally the goal of such schemes is to mitigate poverty and not to eliminate it. For some reason the wealthy and powerful don’t seem to want an egalitarian society. Go figure.

I have seen little evidence that the patrician class is better at this.

Why not leave framing this to the people who are coping with the actual problem instead of tone policing them? Your approach doesn’t lead to dialogue. It has been tried. Even with the “shocking” framing many men have no idea it is going on. With the more milquetoast version even fewer well. I don’t think either will work. Moroni may be onto something: “and when I speak the word of God with sharpness they tremble and anger against me; and when I use no sharpness they harden their hearts against it;” You compare this to your paranoid transphobia which you think is all nonsense. Are you actually persuadable or are you just asking it to be toned down so it is easier to ignore?

Yeah, thinking back now I may have sometimes been an unwelcome surprise in such environments. In my younger wild and sinful days of yore I dated another bisexual guy and we would often hang out in gay spaces. Sometimes women would come and talk to us and want to hang out with the cute gay couple. We would flirt with them a little and it often took them a while to realize we weren’t just play-flirting and were actually attracted to her.

Many arguments that have obvious emotions or emotional appeals behind them are filled with logic and reason. And often attempts to appear dispassionate conceal emotions and are filled with logical flaws. Then of course there is the obvious ragebait which is way too common.

And the sad truth is that often the report doesn’t accomplish anything.

They do. If straight guys want to understand this visit a gay club with this kind of atmosphere. It is much easier to understand the problem when you have been the target of it. One of my friends liked to go to gay clubs because it meant she could focus on dancing and not defense. She took her husband but only once. He asked if that is what women face all the time. Yep. Swinger clubs are often bad too. Strip clubs are a mix based on enforcement. Many kink clubs are almost paradoxically better since most restrict alcohol (due to safety issues) and have an emphasis on consent. Some of the most common minor incidents are the ones discussed where the predator just does something invasive and relies on everyone being too confused or shocked to do anything.

I read one bit where a researcher said he could get guys like this to agree on what constituted rape, agree that what he did met the criteria, but still denied that it was rape. There is a lot of ‘it is only rape if a bad person does it and I am not bad’ rationalizing.

Here is a bit of the backlash from conservative Christians: https://www.newsweek.com/christian-super-bowl-commercial-outrages-conservatives-1869125

Gay bars?

Then it can’t be prejudice because women are giving rational and reasonable explanations for why they feel this way. Glad we sorted that out.

No, it is not ignoring those factors. It is acknowledging the existence of such factors like rape culture, patriarchy, and all that fun stuff.

It is a true statement and it makes no judgment at all. There can be an implied judgment like your unnecessary racial references do. In this context though it is a rational defense mechanism. There is no malice in the statement that all men are potential rapists. It is a caution. You just take an unreasonable amount of offense that women often have to default to that level of defensiveness. Why? How does it impact you? And as women have been doing this around you your whole life how come you never noticed it? Also “Potential Gay Cannibals” would be an amazing band name.

Yet you refuse to engage with the root cause of this “unhealthy and dangerous thing” and just want people to change their thought patterns to *checks notes* make you feel comfortable. The irony is that many women have been treating you (and all men) like this your whole life. Why does it suddenly bother you now?

You have to understand before you can disagree.

There is a certain morbid humor in that not being a working link.

If you understood the position I think you would have revealed that by now by actually engaging with it.

And I am sure that people will be as excited to hear about them as they are your opinions on period cramps and gay sex.

Of course the part that you conveniently ignore is that it is a true statement. Of course that would ruin your rhetorical trick.

Congratulations on not engaging with what I actually said and sticking to belabored rote statements. It is kind of sad.