The Nehor

Bending all the metal folding chairs? Wow, that is kind of impressive. While I agree that those saying this stuff are morally culpable in the US they almost certainly aren’t legally culpable. Stochastic terrorism and indirect incitement has been an ongoing norm for some time now.

Okay bootlicker.

Actually a lot of Scouters I know blame LDS involvement with the Scouts for sending it into a spiral.

So racial integration ruined the Scouts?

And the racism mask slips further. And defending indefensible executions by government thugs.

Something about this was tickling a memory I couldn’t place but it just clicked into place. In the Greco-Roman world the term atheos (godless) was a polemic against those that would not respect the state’s god. It was used against indviduals. For example it was part of the accusation against Socrates and was pretty false in his case. The Jews and later the Christians were also atheos. This was not because they denied the existence of the Roman deities but because they wouldn’t worship them. The Jews mostly got away with it. The Romans mocked their “invisible god” sometimes but they also had a respect for anything ancient and the worship of their god went back a long ways. They got a special dispensation. There was some friction about it. Then you have the Christians show up. First it was seen as just a Jewish splinter religion but then it got popular and was telling lots of people not to worship the state gods or the cult of the emperor. This was unpatriotic. In the US the latter would be seen something like the equivalent of refusing to say the pledge of allegiance. Plus the Christians couldn’t claim their worship was ancient. They worshipped a very recent god that showed up and died via humiliating torturous execution for treason against the Roman state. While the persecution of Christians has been exaggerated as much more pervasive than it was there were some local persecutions of Christians and at least one empire-wide one. Basically saying that this is the modern equivalent of worshipping the wrong kind of deity with a new flavor.

Well, without the actual records that the Church referenced we have a human trying to remember stuff accurately from over a decade ago which has a LOT of problems already especially if he has thought about that event a lot versus a potentially biased representation of notes taken about a call when we are told they destroyed those kinds of notes. I am not sure either source is particularly credible. There is not really a mechanism to take this up to the prophet. Ideally you want anyone but the bishop reporting this stuff so you can avoid the whole privilege thing but bishops are usually the ones that find out and there is a strange bit in LDS culture where members expect the bishop to sort out problems the bishop is not qualified to deal with and doesn’t have the power to do anything about.

Now that girls are involved they are moral degenerates?

There was a weird conceit that only “CRIMINAL” immigrants would be deported despite no such proviso being given. Now we see Trump votes watching undocumented or legally present but non-citizen spouses and families being detained indefinitely and/or deported. Turns out thinking that the people you like are “one of the good ones” doesn’t really matter. The mask has slipped even more lately about the blatant racism involved and many voters in minority groups are experiencing voter regret. Womp. Womp. Womp.

The executions by ICE there? No, I believe it.

I didn’t mean that Kissinger ended Chinese isolation. I meant the trade agreements designed to hamper China’s military development that the US orchestrated. With all the tariff bumbling nations are turning to China as a more stable and reliable trade partner. Nope. All wrong. Some of this is blatant misinformation. Most of it is conspiracy nonsense about UN globalism and secret societies trying to destroy the world by uniting it or something. Also the whole bringing in illegal immigrants so they will vote for progressive policies when undocumented immigrants cannot vote in all federal and state elections. Note there are limited voting rights granted to all residents in some local jurisdictions but these are limited to local elections. This whole conspiracy relies on believing that people are being imported en masse to cheat on elections. Note this means that the individuals are risking jail time and deportation to case *checks notes* one illegal vote. Almost no one would take that risk. It is nonsensical if you think about it for five minutes. It requires a “hive mind” of invaders all operating as one against their own personal interests for an abstract goal. It is the kind of thing that leads to xenophobia in all forms. It is how anti-semitism and racism and homophobia and transphobia are sold. You have to concoct a narrative that they are all coming to destroy you, destroy/corrupt your children/women, and/or steal your stuff. It is moral panic. Again. And we learn nothing and fall for it EVERY TIME. Instead of blaming problems on the powerful we blame the marginalized and the outcasts. It is easier and doesn’t require any risk. We are cowards.

No, because it is a violation of international agreements and basic humanitarian principles. Also the decreased interest in asylum in the US is that the US is seen as an increasingly unsafe place for migrants of all kinds due to the blatant racism and authoritarian and unconstitutional use of federal power to persecute and detain people based on racial identification. Also the whole becoming an untrustworthy international pariah thing and tearing down the post-World War 2 economic world order by threatening allies, ending China’s economic isolation, and alienating liberal democracies is going to economically hurt pretty much everyone in the United States. The mass deportation is tied to all of this. So I am going to mark it as unwise. It will be decades at least before most of the rest of the world will consider the US to be at all trustworthy. They may never trust the US again. The minor dip isn’t worth the cost. Yeah, they need more judges and more legal staff. We don’t need a bloated ICE that ignores the law and extrajudicially murders people. That might push down the number of asylum seekers but it also has a lot of other negative impacts. We could have put all that ICE money into immigration judges and just started dealing with the backlog. Instead we chose cruelty and violence because that is who we are now. Hooray……..

No, it is actually not. Reports from late last year said there were over 3.5 million asylum cases pending. There was a slightly higher high earlier in 2025 but the dip has been small and pretty insignificant. The wait time for a hearing is still around three years. The dip is not due to efficiency. It is less people seeking asylum status in the US for obvious reasons.

I thought a Church representative submitted an affadavit back in 2022 that call records for help line discussions were destroyed at the end of every day. How does this record exist? I think the former bishop who complained about this was either naive, an idiot, or was just plain duped. So someone comes into his office and confesses to doing something abusive. Then the perpetrator says that their therapist had already reported him and then that the perpetrator self-reported. The therapist shouldn’t be talking to the Bishop due to confidentiality concerns so all this information came from the person who did the abuse. The help line probably should have pointed this out if that is what happened. Unless the therapist was for the victim and not the perpetrator but that raises even more questions. In any case why would you believe the perpetrator’s claim that they self-reported? Bizarre.

Nope, Biden saw the growing backlog and wanted to fix it. The GOP (and too many Democrats) wouldn’t back increasing resources that would actually clear out the backlog. A President can’t legally apportion money to provide those resources. The problem with asylum backlogs ARE NOT and have never been a presidential problem. It is a congressional problem. Presidents unjustly get the blame for it. Those ridiculous congressional “trips” to the border were farcical theater. Congress has been abdicating its responsibility for this situation and many others by refusing to function. Part of that is on voters electing fools who run for government office vowing not to actually govern.

Almost none of the migrants being deported by ICE are rapists. This is a dumb deflection and it is hard to take seriously from people who think electing perverts and rapists into high offices is the solution. Nope. The ‘border crisis’ is caused by the fact that we don’t have the judicial resources to deal with the backlog of asylum cases so people have to wait years to get a hearing. Democrats often try to increase the number of immigration judges but the GOP shuts it down every time so the problem gets worse. They like it being worse because it serves as a wonderful distraction and rallying point. If you want to fix a problem look for the actual bottleneck causing the problem and remedy it. This isn’t complicated but it is more fun to scream about rapists because racists tell you they are the problem. Democracy doesn’t work if facts and objective reality are just ignored.

And if someone lacks empathy you can ask why they want to crash portions of the economy reliant on migrant labor.

And they need to go home via illegal and unconstitutional methods if that is what it takes? The process should be cruel and inhumane? Why are you defending this?

They are at least on some level accountable to their donors. DHS is actively hiding a lot of the data behind the recent round ups. I am not suggesting that they don’t have a bias. I am suggesting that I will trust people and organizations that are not habitual liars and obfuscaters over those who are. That shouldn’t be hard to grasp. This isn’t a “both sides” thing. I hate “both sides” rhetoric. It is almost always trotted out when the person can’t defend their side at all and wants to pretend that everything else is equally bad. That is what you say about people you support? Isn’t that horrific on some level?

Trust them more than far right bigots? Yes. So your characterization was inaccurate? And now it suddenly doesn’t matter. When the facts stops mattering why bother at all? Honored guests? They are being yelled at by protestors and a large segment of the population characterizes them as invaders. Yet somehow this is too nice? Weird. Okay, think through why they would want to come to the UK specifically instead of France. Maybe they have family or social ties with people in the UK? Maybe they (like many people) speak English as a second language and don’t know French? Maybe the UK is seen as relatively welcoming? If I were seeking asylum I would be more likely to go to the UK than France for several of those reasons. Acting like this is some form of predation is xenophobic. Why are you imagining that relative proximity is the primary decision point? Would that be your only consideration? Treat them like they are people and think through why they would make the choices they do without this default assumption of malice and you might understand them. When you see them as an “other” coming to destroy everything you come up with these ‘hive mind’ reasons they are making the choices they are and make violence against them acceptable. Lucy Connoly who said “set fire to all the f*&#ing hotels full of the bastards” is defended as some kind of brave speaker of truth? This wasn’t her only racially charged statement. She is a racist. The 12k arrested that were a mix of general racism (not necessarily tied to asylum seekers) and a bunch of people who were stalking or harassing and threatening individuals online. Do basic research on what these arrests involve before tying it all into your latest favored propaganda. You have no idea what sources I use.

I don’t think it is likely that the Church is diverting funds. Nor do I think local leaders are conspiring to move funds from one bucket to another. Local unit fraud is more likely to be embezzlement than moving fast offering funds into ward events. I just don’t think we know what is going on at the highest levels. I don’t think anything nefarious is likely going on with the money. I am just not sure what is going on.

I trust numbers of the aid organizations over the official ones. DHS cannot be trusted on this. At all.

The DHS propaganda and recruiting tools are disgusting. They pull out religious imagery and corrupt the words from the Bible to twist them to make this a kind of holy mission. Also using a quote from a movie about fighting fascists to encourage people to back people doing fascist things. Here is Dan McClellan taking down the misuse of the Bible to back this garbage: