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[The Nehor]

On 7/21/2025 at 6:16 PM, ZealouslyStriving said:

Geese and ganders. 

One man's conspiracy is another man's noble attempt to make things better.

I am not going to play a false equivalence game about the two. Project 2025 is duplicitous and intends to strip rights from people. Those implementing it deny they are doing so. Pretending it is the same as a non-binding UN plan is just generic Soviet-style whataboutism to pretend everything is equally bad. It is not.

[The Nehor]

On 7/21/2025 at 6:24 PM, webbles said:

Kind of similar to Project 2025.  Except Project 2025 actually got some people in power who can make parts of it happen.  If the idealists behind 2030 ever did get power, they would definitely put it into motion.

Get into power how? It is a UN plan. Even if they somehow got a supporter in as secretary general or whatever they still wouldn’t be able to implement it because that is just not how the UN works. It is not a government. It can’t enforce anything on its own. It is a diplomatic forum. Compliance with it is virtually always voluntary.

[ZealouslyStriving]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I am not going to play a false equivalence game about the two. Project 2025 is duplicitous and intends to strip rights from people. Those implementing it deny they are doing so. Pretending it is the same as a non-binding UN plan is just generic Soviet-style whataboutism to pretend everything is equally bad. It is not.

Hmmm.... Seems to have touched a nerve- not your usual snarky response.

[webbles]

7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Get into power how? It is a UN plan. Even if they somehow got a supporter in as secretary general or whatever they still wouldn’t be able to implement it because that is just not how the UN works. It is not a government. It can’t enforce anything on its own. It is a diplomatic forum. Compliance with it is virtually always voluntary.

Project 2025 is even less than a UN plan.  It was just a Heritage Foundation plan.  But people who agreed with it were able to get into power and are now implementing parts of it.  The UN plan could be done similarly.  I agree that the UN can't dictate it.  Same as how the Heritage Foundation can't dictate Project 2025.  But people who agree with the plan can get into power and then dictate it.

[Calm]

1 hour ago, webbles said:

But people who agree with the plan can get into power and then dictate it.

So you are suggesting in individual countries and possibly more powerful countries pressuring weaker ones?

[Calm]

Is there a relatively neutral summary of Project 2025 out there?  I tried to read it myself and didn’t have the concentration power to do so.  Same with the UN Proposal, but that was well organized with headings and such, so I got a better idea of what it was skimming through it.  At this point they seem very different to me (one appears to be about how to achieve more control over government bureaucracy so as to give a president more power, but I didn’t get too far and the other a collection of goals to improve and protect quality of global life that may or may not be actually helpful).

Edited July 23, 2025 by Calm

[Tacenda]

On 7/23/2025 at 6:06 AM, ZealouslyStriving said:

Hmmm.... Seems to have touched a nerve- not your usual snarky response.

Maybe he's not going for a laugh, because it's too serious a subject.

[The Nehor]

On 7/23/2025 at 7:06 AM, ZealouslyStriving said:

Hmmm.... Seems to have touched a nerve- not your usual snarky response.

I called you a pinko-commie by inference. Try to keep up.

[The Nehor]

On 7/23/2025 at 12:17 PM, webbles said:

Project 2025 is even less than a UN plan.  It was just a Heritage Foundation plan.  But people who agreed with it were able to get into power and are now implementing parts of it.  The UN plan could be done similarly.  I agree that the UN can't dictate it.  Same as how the Heritage Foundation can't dictate Project 2025.  But people who agree with the plan can get into power and then dictate it.

It wasn’t just a vague Heritage plan. It was a plan for a specific time implemented by a specific candidate in an anticipated position of power. And there is no one who can get into power to make the UN plan happen because there is no office you can hold that would make that possible. The UN just doesn’t work that way.

[The Nehor]

13 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Maybe he's not going for a laugh, because it's too serious a subject.

There is the fact that Project 2025 explicitly wants to hurt me and many of my friends.

[longview]

13 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I called you a pinko-commie by inference. Try to keep up.

He is more conservative than you. How does that work?

13 hours ago, The Nehor said:

It wasn’t just a vague Heritage plan. It was a plan for a specific time implemented by a specific candidate in an anticipated position of power. And there is no one who can get into power to make the UN plan happen because there is no office you can hold that would make that possible. The UN just doesn’t work that way.

I had no idea what it was so I queried chatGPT (see below). What I do know for sure is that T45 learned a huge amount from his first term. Had another 4 years to battle insane "lawfare" and begin to plan intensely for T47. It has been a TERRIFIC and overwhelming six months for his second term. The LEFT has a serious case of collective NOSE-BLEED.

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the Heritage foundation has a plan called 2025. what is it and how did it develop for how long?

ChatGPT said:

The Heritage Foundation’s “Project 2025” is a strategic initiative designed to prepare conservative leadership and policy planning for a potential Republican presidency beginning in January 2025. It is formally titled the "2025 Presidential Transition Project."

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🔎 What is Project 2025?

Project 2025 is a detailed policy and governance blueprint for the next conservative U.S. president, aiming to:

• Restructure the federal government

• Dismantle or significantly reform parts of the administrative state

• Replace key civil service and agency positions with like-minded conservatives

• Implement aggressive conservative policy changes quickly upon inauguration

It includes:

1. A 900+ page policy playbook, titled Mandate for Leadership: The Conservative Promise (2023 edition)

2. Personnel database (called the “Presidential Personnel Database”) to identify and vet thousands of loyal conservatives for federal appointments

3. Training programs for future officials

4. Organizational plans to shift power from career bureaucrats to political appointees

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🏛️ Goals of Project 2025

• Shrink or eliminate federal departments seen as overreaching (like the Department of Education)

• Expand presidential power, including asserting more control over independent agencies

• Deregulate areas like climate, education, and healthcare

• Reverse Biden-era policies, especially on climate, immigration, and DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion)

• Push a moral and cultural conservative agenda, with emphasis on family, religion, and traditional values

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🧱 How Did It Develop?

• Origin: The Heritage Foundation launched the project in 2022, but it builds on decades of conservative policymaking, particularly their 1980 "Mandate for Leadership", which influenced the Reagan administration.

• Lead Architect: Paul Dans, former chief of staff at the Office of Personnel Management under Trump, serves as director.

• Coordination: It brings together more than 80 conservative organizations, such as:

  • Alliance Defending Freedom

  • Hillsdale College

  • Center for Renewing America

  • America First Legal

  • And many others tied to Trump-era or MAGA-aligned movements

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📚 Background Context

Project 2025 arose from a belief that Trump’s first term was not prepared enough to fully implement a conservative agenda due to resistance from within the federal bureaucracy. Heritage and its partners want to ensure the next GOP administration is ready on day one to take control and move quickly.

The playbook outlines detailed proposals for every cabinet department and agency, describing how to:

• Fire and replace government employees (potentially via Schedule F, which would reclassify civil servants as easier to remove)

• Cut regulations

• Redirect funding

• Restructure power between branches of government

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⚠️ Criticism & Controversy

• Democrats and progressives see Project 2025 as an authoritarian blueprint, arguing it undermines democratic institutions and threatens civil rights.

• Critics warn that it promotes an anti-environment, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-immigrant agenda and consolidates too much executive power.

• Some Republicans support the goals but are cautious about the political optics and extremity of some proposals.

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⏳ Timeline Summary

• 1980: First Mandate for Leadership published for Reagan

• 2016–2020: Trump administration struggles with bureaucratic resistance

• 2021: Schedule F discussed more widely as a tool to replace civil servants

• 2022: Heritage launches Project 2025

• 2023–2024: Project expands with more partner organizations, releases playbook

 

[The Nehor]

28 minutes ago, longview said:

He is more conservative than you. How does that work?

He was using Soviet rhetorical techniques.

28 minutes ago, longview said:

I had no idea what it was so I queried chatGPT (see below). What I do know for sure is that T45 learned a huge amount from his first term. Had another 4 years to battle insane "lawfare" and begin to plan intensely for T47. It has been a TERRIFIC and overwhelming six months for his second term. The LEFT has a serious case of collective NOSE-BLEED.

It has been a dumpster fire but hey, if people you don’t like are suffering it is worth it to many.

Edited July 26, 2025 by The Nehor

[ZealouslyStriving]

4 hours ago, longview said:

He is more conservative than you. How does that work?

I had no idea what it was so I queried chatGPT (see below). What I do know for sure is that T45 learned a huge amount from his first term. Had another 4 years to battle insane "lawfare" and begin to plan intensely for T47. It has been a TERRIFIC and overwhelming six months for his second term. The LEFT has a serious case of collective NOSE-BLEED.

 

What can't we like your posts yet? Surely you have posted enough times?

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[longview]

1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

What can't we like your posts yet? Surely you have posted enough times?

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

I am regularly banned. The last time finally resulted in me being "limited" which means I cannot rep other people and they cannot rep me.

[Tacenda]

12 hours ago, longview said:

I am regularly banned. The last time finally resulted in me being "limited" which means I cannot rep other people and they cannot rep me.

There's hope, been there done that!