6,674 undiscovered Maya structures

[Robert F. Smith]

5 hours ago, Calm said:

Out of curiosity why do you think only one person can be sinless and not more?  Or is there more to the Atonement than redemption of sin?

I am thinking your view is the latter, but most people’s reasoning I hear for why we need the Atonement is we are all sinful, so allowing that as a possible view as well.

I have always wondered myself why of one of God’s children can be sinless, why more couldn’t be as well even if they don’t show up on this earth.

I guess true heroes are as rare as hen's teeth, here and hereafter.

The other stated purpose of earthlife is for everyone to gain experience (D&C 122:7; 2 Nephi 2:11-16).  Sin is merely an unavoidable part of experience.

[Calm]

11 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Sin is merely an unavoidable part of experience.

But Christ proves it is avoidable.  Even if heroes are rare, how does that mean there can be only one?  (Cue Highlander theme)

[Robert F. Smith]

24 minutes ago, Calm said:

But Christ proves it is avoidable.  Even if heroes are rare, how does that mean there can be only one?  (Cue Highlander theme)

I am not privy to why only the First Born Son could do the job.  Perhaps it is a ritual matter too arcane for humans to grok.  In any case, the exception proves the rule.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Robert F. Smith

[Calm]

12 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Perhaps it is a ritual matter too arcane for humans to grok.

That actually works for me.   

I am really looking forward to the time I can ask these questions of those who acted in full awareness of the needs of our universe and being.

Edited December 12, 2024 by Calm

[blackstrap]

I have a hard time thinking that those children who died shortly after being born have somehow sinned. Once they become toddlers, however, all bets are off. 😉

[Calm]

28 minutes ago, blackstrap said:

I have a hard time thinking that those children who died shortly after being born have somehow sinned. Once they become toddlers, however, all bets are off. 😉

Yes, being born is hardly a mistake and not being able to survive much past birth may be a result of imperfection, but not all imperfection is sin, is it?

Maybe they got angry at being forced out of their snug spot when they shouldn’t have? (Sarcasm in case anyone thinks I am serious)

Edited December 12, 2024 by Calm

[theplains]

On 12/11/2024 at 1:58 PM, Robert F. Smith said:

As mortals, of course.  Everyone without exception needs an atonement, unless our God the Father was the Savior of his people in his own time and place as a mortal.

Maybe the LDS Heavenly Father was the "Jesus" of his world and had a wife (wives) as several LDS
leaders of the past have taught about the Jesus of our Earth.

Edited December 13, 2024 by theplains

[theplains]

On 12/11/2024 at 7:05 PM, Calm said:

Interesting viewpoint.

Do you follow all the instructions given in the scriptures?

Definitely not.  I try, but trying is not good enough.

[Calm]

5 hours ago, theplains said:

Definitely not.  I try, but trying is not good enough.

If you could, would you?  Do you see that as a worthy goal or are there some instructions you interpret as opinions of the writers?

[Calm]

This is not meant to be confrontational, I am just wondering about how you choose to interpret scripture. I like to explore others’ views as a challenge to my own among other things.

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For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Matthew 5:18 has Jesus instructing us to live the Mosaic Law for basically forever since heaven will never disappear and even if one assumes that is sky, not the Spirit realm being referred to, the earth and sky haven’t disappeared yet.

So do you believe we should be living the Mosaic law as commanded by Jesus?

Edited December 13, 2024 by Calm

[Robert F. Smith]

6 hours ago, theplains said:

Definitely not.  I try, but trying is not good enough.

Jews say that, of course, they cannot always keep all 613 commandments.  Luckily , the Jews believe that God saves us by grace.  We need it.

[Robert F. Smith]

33 minutes ago, Calm said:

This is not meant to be confrontational, I am just wondering about how you choose to interpret scripture. I like to explore others’ views as a challenge to my own among other things.

Matthew 5:18 has Jesus instructing us to live the Mosaic Law for basically forever since heaven will never disappear and even if one assumes that is sky, not the Spirit realm being referred to, the earth and sky haven’t disappeared yet.

So do you believe we should be living the Mosaic law as commanded by Jesus?

Which version of Mosaic Law?  The Ten Commandments?  All 613 rabbinic mitzvot?  Or just the Noachide Laws for non-Jews?  Upon whom does the obligation fall?

[theplains]

On 12/13/2024 at 3:38 PM, Calm said:

If you could, would you?  Do you see that as a worthy goal or are there some instructions you interpret as opinions of the writers?

Yes to both questions.