Family History, for many reasons is very important, and of great value.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Some of these things I might have mentioned before. Therefore, I may repeat some things, that I may have done before. If so, please forgive me beforehand. Recently, I have done a lot of genealogy, to do research for many reasons. Much of which is to involve my my  Children, and better yet, my grandchildren, to inspire them to follow the commandments of the Prophets and Apostles, and also inspire them to discover our wonderful history. A history that dates back for over 200+ years here in the Atlanta area, and to introduce a number of homes that are listed on the historical retested, homes that have stood for almost 200+ years. Along with the Churches established for the and 2+ centuries. This to spire the many accomplishes of our family dating back to 1813, and that is just the Atlanta area, the State of Georgia, just 59-100 miles away, dating back to the early 1700’s, before the Revolutionary War, predating our Nation, we call America. My goal of course, is to inspire those I love, and by so doing  help to discover our wonderful ancestry.  Research that has thankfully given, and now having  passed to my Adult children, and my grandchildren. Not only do I wish to pass this history down, but pass it to a more a much more tech-savvy generation, so they can pass it to future generations. For the present, my oldest granddaughter, can attend the Temple in Peru, when she as a missionary can attend the Temple, and continue our family’s work, we her family of course.. Due to their assistance, so many names have been placed in our Temple files. As a result, those I lone, I can only hope to be able to do all I can for my family’. When I went for my granddaughter’s endowment, allI was physically able to do, was a few “Sealings”, with the help of good fiends, then when the time came, I was able to go in the Celestial Room, when he group entered. I wish I could have done more, and I’d Gods is Willing, soon I might be able. I will be  missing my oldest granddaughter. I will also hope, and pray, as well hope that time will pass quickly, and pray that God will Protect her, and keep her ever in his care as my greatest care and protection. For I have loved her, more than any could ever love her. As my oldest granddaughter, went through for her endowment, to get ready for her more than any could ever match! mission. I was unable to do little, only able to do endowments, while waiting to enter the Celestial Room, just before she entered. I am so grateful for the many workers, and friends who came to help me. I have many wonderful friends, who took the time out of their busy Saturday. I was able to help with some sealiings, as the “officiator displayed patience, while others help me up and down. I tried to stand up and sit down as much as I was able, but after a few times I got very shaky, almost falling one. I also have many issues that make it difficult to travel and attend the Temple as often, as I would wish. These very Children, and grandchildren, have been able to accomplish much for my (their) ancestry. In addition, because missionaries can attend the Temple, my granddaughter will be able, since I have been told, to attend the Temple in Peru, and can help do work, since Temple files can be shared (or so I hope) at her Temples, for the next 18 months, anywhere on the Earth (I pray). In addition, my son not only found my wife’s great grandmother x4, or x5 in his case, on his search, he found her photo, in her full Cherokee, buckskin outfit. Which was indeed a tearful filled joy for my dear wife.

The reason why I posted of the need for ancestral research, it is not just for allowing Temple work,  but also to help us, member or not, Temple worthy or not, etc, etc, etc. It allows to connect on who we are, why we are, and why we are who we are. No matter what, it is a way to reconnect us as a family, estranged or not, it can and will reunite us as a family. A way to heal wounds, no matter how deep, no matter how much the hurt. Most people no matter their condition. No matter how lost a person my be, no matter how hurt, most if not all, want to know their origins, their beginning, or the story of their story. Be it good or bad, be it joyful, be it sorrowful, even why they look as they do, sound as they do, even to know, was there ever live. Just like the questions missionaries ask everybody. 1) Who am I? 2) Where did I come from. 3) Where amI going? These questions can be found in the Scriptures, or in our Ancestry, or so we hope. 
 

As always, organize errors. But we have had so many warnings,  

“Let us all continue going, or if we are lacking, let us return to the Holy House of God”. And for the young, head the counsel of the Prophet  Spencer W. Kimball, Tattooes are Gaftoos 

[Dario_M]

Being in the Temple must be amazing anyway. Unfortunatly i didn't had a change to go to the temple so far. 😭

For the rest....good topic Papa. 🫂

Edited October 11, 2023 by Dario_M

[rpn]

Well, I'm proud of you.  And so what if you can't now do everything you did at age 40.  That's just life.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 10/10/2023 at 8:54 PM, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

Some of these things I might have mentioned before. Therefore, I may repeat some things, that I may have done before. If so, please forgive me beforehand. Recently, I have done a lot of genealogy, to do research for many reasons. Much of which is to involve my my  Children, and better yet, my grandchildren, to inspire them to follow the commandments of the Prophets and Apostles, and also inspire them to discover our wonderful history. A history that dates back for over 200+ years here in the Atlanta area, and to introduce a number of homes that are listed on the historical retested, homes that have stood for almost 200+ years. Along with the Churches established for the and 2+ centuries. This to spire the many accomplishes of our family dating back to 1813, and that is just the Atlanta area, the State of Georgia, just 59-100 miles away, dating back to the early 1700’s, before the Revolutionary War, predating our Nation, we call America. My goal of course, is to inspire those I love, and by so doing  help to discover our wonderful ancestry.  Research that has thankfully given, and now having  passed to my Adult children, and my grandchildren. Not only do I wish to pass this history down, but pass it to a more a much more tech-savvy generation, so they can pass it to future generations. For the present, my oldest granddaughter, can attend the Temple in Peru, when she as a missionary can attend the Temple, and continue our family’s work, we her family of course.. Due to their assistance, so many names have been placed in our Temple files. As a result, those I lone, I can only hope to be able to do all I can for my family’. When I went for my granddaughter’s endowment, allI was physically able to do, was a few “Sealings”, with the help of good fiends, then when the time came, I was able to go in the Celestial Room, when he group entered. I wish I could have done more, and I’d Gods is Willing, soon I might be able. I will be  missing my oldest granddaughter. I will also hope, and pray, as well hope that time will pass quickly, and pray that God will Protect her, and keep her ever in his care as my greatest care and protection. For I have loved her, more than any could ever love her. As my oldest granddaughter, went through for her endowment, to get ready for her more than any could ever match! mission. I was unable to do little, only able to do endowments, while waiting to enter the Celestial Room, just before she entered. I am so grateful for the many workers, and friends who came to help me. I have many wonderful friends, who took the time out of their busy Saturday. I was able to help with some sealiings, as the “officiator displayed patience, while others help me up and down. I tried to stand up and sit down as much as I was able, but after a few times I got very shaky, almost falling one. I also have many issues that make it difficult to travel and attend the Temple as often, as I would wish. These very Children, and grandchildren, have been able to accomplish much for my (their) ancestry. In addition, because missionaries can attend the Temple, my granddaughter will be able, since I have been told, to attend the Temple in Peru, and can help do work, since Temple files can be shared (or so I hope) at her Temples, for the next 18 months, anywhere on the Earth (I pray). In addition, my son not only found my wife’s great grandmother x4, or x5 in his case, on his search, he found her photo, in her full Cherokee, buckskin outfit. Which was indeed a tearful filled joy for my dear wife.

The reason why I posted of the need for ancestral research, it is not just for allowing Temple work,  but also to help us, member or not, Temple worthy or not, etc, etc, etc. It allows to connect on who we are, why we are, and why we are who we are. No matter what, it is a way to reconnect us as a family, estranged or not, it can and will reunite us as a family. A way to heal wounds, no matter how deep, no matter how much the hurt. Most people no matter their condition. No matter how lost a person my be, no matter how hurt, most if not all, want to know their origins, their beginning, or the story of their story. Be it good or bad, be it joyful, be it sorrowful, even why they look as they do, sound as they do, even to know, was there ever live. Just like the questions missionaries ask everybody. 1) Who am I? 2) Where did I come from. 3) Where amI going? These questions can be found in the Scriptures, or in our Ancestry, or so we hope. 
 

As always, organize errors. But we have had so many warnings,  

“Let us all continue going, or if we are lacking, let us return to the Holy House of God”. And for the young, head the counsel of the Prophet  Spencer W. Kimball, Tattooes are Gaftoos 

Sorry, you can’t edit after an hour or two. My final line was should have been, as was proclaimed, by the Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, (I say Proclaimed, as I listen to all Prophets, when they speak, as I always do so),. He proclaimed, “that tattoos are graffiti upon the Temple of God”.This comes from the Scriptures, and I believe, words of the very words of Jesus, Christ, that our bodies are also theTemple, and should be filled always with the Holy Spirt. I also listen, because they both, quote, or back up their sermons, or  quotes From scripture. There are many things, I need to correct, when I posted this, I was so very weak, and was not feeling well,, after posting this, when I called my wife, when she saw me she was frantic, when she checked my blood sugar, we were both amazed I was not in another coma. I have already been in the three  times in  this calendar year. Since July, or early August, of last year, I went to the hospital in an ambulance, and spent seven days in UCU. I am tired, I am unable to be of use to anyone in my family, sadly I am a burden to those I love. Like my other post, I should have died so many times, so long ago. 
 

EDT: There may be some here with tattoos, if you got then before joined the Church, Baptism forgives all, so it does not matter. If you have gotten then as a member, because of the Atonement, forgiveness is always available. In fact, not even sure it you would even need to tell your Bishop. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Bill “Papa” Lee

[MustardSeed]

6 hours ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

There may be some here with tattoos, if you got then before joined the Church, Baptism forgives all, so it does not matter. If you have gotten then as a member, because of the Atonement, forgiveness is always available. In fact, not even sure it you would even need to tell your Bishop. 

It’s not a sin to get a tattoo. 
Family history is indeed wonderful. 

Edited October 14, 2023 by MustardSeed

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 10/13/2023 at 11:11 PM, MustardSeed said:

It’s not a sin to get a tattoo. 
Family history is indeed wonderful. 

Family history is wonderful, but if you go back and find the sermon that President (The Prophet) Gordon B. Hinckley, and his remark that “Tattoos, are  graffiti on the Temple of God”, so I believe him. I also believe what the Scriptures teach us. It clearly, identifies, or tells us that the “our bodies are also Temples, where the Holy Spirit dwells, or should dwell. To mark our bodies, s willfully making our bodies or our own Temples. This is a deliberate act, to deface the Temple. Akin to painting graffiti on the building of the Temple. Sorry, but it is violation, to treat our bodies with little regard. I know I am getting old, and more and more I do not recognize what our Church seems to be morphing into. I have indeed outlived my usefulness, and it would seem I even outlived life. Priesthood blessing have save me so often, but my mind is tired. Anyway, sorry for my opinions, and for having a very difficult day. Going to sign off for a while, forgive me if I was or am to upset. I will be signing off for awhile, but as the Scriptures teach us, “Pray for the peace in Jerusalem”, I fear this war will lead to another World War, I pray it does not, either way, everyone should prepare for a long hard winter, as this might cause many shortages, food, stock markets hitting all 401k’s, etc. The last days are upon us, do as our Prophets have taught us, store food, water, and other things we may need to survive, 

Sorry for any, or many errors. But be safe and be well. Signing off for now, I think it is time…love you all. 

[MustardSeed]

We see this is a differently. But we both value the body.  I demonstrate that respect in a different way than you do but can appreciate the respect you offer yours. Have a peaceful evening 🥰

[Diamondhands69]

When I was 18 I declared I wasn’t going on a mission and all of a sudden the floodgates of shaming, name calling, berating, silent treatment etc were opened in my family. 
 

there is a long-dead relative who was a missionary back in the day when they sent married men. He was highly respected by my family for gospel dedication reasons and by me for other reasons but all good and honorable. 
 

I was essentially shamed into cooperation by my family using his missionary service and other accomplishments to guilt trip especially since I carry his name.  Never felt good about the situation and I didn’t feel good about the prospect of serving a mission.
 

No internet available back then, but fast forward to this past decade I learned he was busted on his mission ( thanks online family history journals) for multiple counts of adultery with multiple women. Later he was excommunicated. this is the guy they bragged on for nearly 100 years. 
 

After learning this I went through my old book of remembrance to see if there was something I missed. The genealogy sheets I filled out had original baptism date but no re-baptism dates even though I saw on ancestry someone did his work just a few months after he passed. I even looked in our families genealogy books and no mention of it anywhere. 
 

anyway I confronted my family about it and they admitted they knew it all along. I asked why I was lied to and they admitted no one would go on a mission if his example was to be followed. They just used it because I respected what I knew about him and knew I wouldn’t want to disappoint him. The truth was a long time family coverup for nearly 100 years. They thought it was cute that I was tricked and told me to get over it. 
 

good solid Mormon pioneer stock going back to the beginning family using trickery to get a kid to go on a mission- class act right there. 
 

I love family history now but sometimes you learn things that can destroy a family as well. 
 

 

 

[MustardSeed]

8 hours ago, Diamondhands69 said:

When I was 18 I declared I wasn’t going on a mission and all of a sudden the floodgates of shaming, name calling, berating, silent treatment etc were opened in my family. 
 

there is a long-dead relative who was a missionary back in the day when they sent married men. He was highly respected by my family for gospel dedication reasons and by me for other reasons but all good and honorable. 
 

I was essentially shamed into cooperation by my family using his missionary service and other accomplishments to guilt trip especially since I carry his name.  Never felt good about the situation and I didn’t feel good about the prospect of serving a mission.
 

No internet available back then, but fast forward to this past decade I learned he was busted on his mission ( thanks online family history journals) for multiple counts of adultery with multiple women. Later he was excommunicated. this is the guy they bragged on for nearly 100 years. 
 

After learning this I went through my old book of remembrance to see if there was something I missed. The genealogy sheets I filled out had original baptism date but no re-baptism dates even though I saw on ancestry someone did his work just a few months after he passed. I even looked in our families genealogy books and no mention of it anywhere. 
 

anyway I confronted my family about it and they admitted they knew it all along. I asked why I was lied to and they admitted no one would go on a mission if his example was to be followed. They just used it because I respected what I knew about him and knew I wouldn’t want to disappoint him. The truth was a long time family coverup for nearly 100 years. They thought it was cute that I was tricked and told me to get over it. 
 

good solid Mormon pioneer stock going back to the beginning family using trickery to get a kid to go on a mission- class act right there. 
 

I love family history now but sometimes you learn things that can destroy a family as well. 
 

 

 

Your family sounds challenging.  No wonder you have a distaste for the church that they value. 

[Diamondhands69]

11 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Your family sounds challenging.  No wonder you have a distaste for the church that they value. 

I actually have more distaste for some of the values the church taught them. This behavior is straight out of church teachings on how to preserving faith by not teaching all the information, just what is faith promoting. They did exactly that so that actually makes me the problem, not them- if you were to ask them. 

[MustardSeed]

15 minutes ago, Diamondhands69 said:

I actually have more distaste for some of the values the church taught them. This behavior is straight out of church teachings on how to preserving faith by not teaching all the information, just what is faith promoting. They did exactly that so that actually makes me the problem, not them- if you were to ask them. 

That’s awful. 

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

On 10/17/2023 at 6:23 PM, MustardSeed said:

We see this is a differently. But we both value the body.  I demonstrate that respect in a different way than you do but can appreciate the respect you offer yours. Have a peaceful evening 🥰

I apologize for coming on too strong. I am just two old, and too set in my ways. I am appear that I am just too rigid in my believe in the Scriptures, and the Prophet, believing in all of our Standard Works. I just fear that things have become a little too progressive, when it comes to doctrine in these Latter-days, at least when it comes to many discussion boards, which is why. I only have membership here. But this is now a Young Man and Woman world, I would have left long ago, but it gives me a place to talk to those who watch a worry about me all day long. I have have only hung around so long, due to the severe isolation that both my illnesses and injuries, that life has placed upon me. A long time friend recently told me sto be governed on the Ward and Stake level, by consensus. A couple of weeks ago, I attended Sunday School, were I seldom speak. We were on a topic where many scriptures teach oh Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ are one, as we should be. I said, if you want to know how they are one, only only needs to read…”. I was.cut off by a young woman (wife), telling me, “you should know better, there is no trinity”. I explained that “the confusion for various beliefs can easily be understood by the words of Jesus Christ himself, in his prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, in short, his own words”. When I asked her, i”would she like know where to read it” he reply was an firm, “absoluteness NO”. Let’s face it, Papa is now a a fossil, long past my “sell by date”. Again my apologies, I needed to apologize, so Papa out. 

[MustardSeed]

I’m sorry that sounds a little too dramatic to me. You’re entitled to your preference and even to your beliefs.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

22 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

22 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

I’m sorry that sounds a little too dramatic to me. You’re entitled to your preference and even to your beliefs.

I don’t remember posting the response above, do not remember posting much. Last night my wife found me in a diabetic coma, and did what wives do, save the night, giving me a short of fast acting insulin. Such is life, or my life is anyway. 

[MustardSeed]

30 minutes ago, Bill “Papa” Lee said:

I don’t remember posting the response above, do not remember posting much. Last night my wife found me in a diabetic coma, and did what wives do, save the night, giving me a short of fast acting insulin. Such is life, or my life is anyway. 

Be well