mfbukowski Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caral-Supe_civilization This is a new one to me! All you smart guys, what's the deal?  🤔
mfbukowski Posted June 28, 2022 Author Posted June 28, 2022 12 hours ago, mfbukowski said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caral-Supe_civilization This is a new one to me! All you smart guys, what's the deal?  🤔 Come on guys!! Book of Mormon historians?? PYRAMIDS TWO THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE THE OLMECS ??? Jaredites?? Pre-Jaredites?? WHAT DO YOU BYU BOYS HAVE TO SAY??? 🤓
CV75 Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) 50 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: Come on guys!! Book of Mormon historians?? PYRAMIDS TWO THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE THE OLMECS ??? Jaredites?? Pre-Jaredites?? WHAT DO YOU BYU BOYS HAVE TO SAY??? 🤓 I didn't answer the first post because i don't quality. But since I once attended BYU, I offer this: https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1702&context=ccr ETA: Fig 4 is interesting because it shows that geological expansion generally moves in the direction of ocean coasts. Edited June 28, 2022 by CV75
Pyreaux Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 Hmm, I thought the Olmecs over lapped with the Jarodite timeline. Pre-Olmec is Pre-Jarodite, so if one is on the 'Eden is in Missouri' train, it could be the remains of Cainite cities.
strappinglad Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 Interesting stuff. Remember this much later civilization found in the Amazon basin ? Lasers reveal 'lost' pre-Hispanic civilization deep in the Amazon | Live Science
ksfisher Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, mfbukowski said: Come on guys!! Book of Mormon historians?? PYRAMIDS TWO THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE THE OLMECS ??? Jaredites?? Pre-Jaredites?? WHAT DO YOU BYU BOYS HAVE TO SAY??? 🤓 I don't see any relation to the Book of Mormon. I did find this part interesting though: "In archaeological nomenclature, Caral-Supe is a pre-ceramic culture of the pre-Columbian Late Archaic; it completely lacked ceramics and apparently had almost no visual art."
mfbukowski Posted June 28, 2022 Author Posted June 28, 2022 2 hours ago, ksfisher said: I don't see any relation to the Book of Mormon. I did find this part interesting though: "In archaeological nomenclature, Caral-Supe is a pre-ceramic culture of the pre-Columbian Late Archaic; it completely lacked ceramics and apparently had almost no visual art." Well as with all history- "his-story" as opposed to "my story" there is always room for interpretation. I find history as totally irrelevant to the spiritual truths in the BOM, but I did find it fascinating that such a complex culture appeared from nowhere that early. I wonder about their religion 1
ksfisher Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: I wonder about their religion From your link: Haas postulates that ideological power exercised by leadership was based on apparent access to deities and the supernatural.[12] Evidence regarding Caral-Supe religion is limited: in 2003, an image of the Staff God, a leering figure with a hood and fangs, was found on a gourd that dated to 2250 BC. The Staff God is a major deity of later Andean cultures, and Winifred Creamer suggests the find points to worship of common symbols of deities.[30][31] As with much other research at Caral-Supe, the nature and significance of the find has been disputed by other researchers.[NB 2] Mann postulates that the act of architectural construction and maintenance at Caral-Supe may have been a spiritual or religious experience: a process of communal exaltation and ceremony.[22] Shady has called Caral "the sacred city" (la ciudad sagrada)[7] and reports that socio-economic and political focus was on the temples, which were periodically remodeled, with major burnt offerings associated with the remodeling.[32]  Staff God https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staff_God In Andean Iconography front-facing figures are often referred to as Staff Gods and thought to represent deities in Andean cultures. There is no uniform representation of a "Staff God". Dozens of variations of "Staff Gods" exist. Usually a Staff God is pictured "front-facing" holding vertical objects (referred to as "staffs") one in each hand. Some scholars think that some variations of the Staff God are possible depictions of Viracocha or Thunupa. Stamp of the Staff God from the Gate of the Sun in Tiwanaku, Bolivia. The figure holds an spearthrower with an avian hook in its right hand. The oldest known depiction of the Staff God was found in 2003 on some broken gourd fragments in a burial site in the Pativilca River Valley (Norte Chico region) and carbon dated to 2250 BCE. This makes it the oldest image of a god to be found in the Americas.[1] There are scholars who maintain that the Wari-Tiwanaku Staff God is the forerunner of the Incan principal gods, Sun, Moon, and Thunder.[2] As the chief deity, it was considered the creator god and served as the primary religious icon of the entire Peruvian Andes, particularly during the Early Horizon (900-200 BC) and beyond.[3] The worship of Staff Gods spread to the Central Andes during the Middle Horizon (600-1000 CE)[4] This is supported by excavated Middle Horizon artifacts that resembled the Staff-God.[5] 1
mfbukowski Posted July 2, 2022 Author Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) On 6/28/2022 at 12:58 PM, ksfisher said: From your link: Haas postulates that ideological power exercised by leadership was based on apparent access to deities and the supernatural.[12] Evidence regarding Caral-Supe religion is limited: in 2003, an image of the Staff God, a leering figure with a hood and fangs, was found on a gourd that dated to 2250 BC. The Staff God is a major deity of later Andean cultures, and Winifred Creamer suggests the find points to worship of common symbols of deities.[30][31] As with much other research at Caral-Supe, the nature and significance of the find has been disputed by other researchers.[NB 2] Mann postulates that the act of architectural construction and maintenance at Caral-Supe may have been a spiritual or religious experience: a process of communal exaltation and ceremony.[22] Shady has called Caral "the sacred city" (la ciudad sagrada)[7] and reports that socio-economic and political focus was on the temples, which were periodically remodeled, with major burnt offerings associated with the remodeling.[32]  Staff God https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staff_God In Andean Iconography front-facing figures are often referred to as Staff Gods and thought to represent deities in Andean cultures. There is no uniform representation of a "Staff God". Dozens of variations of "Staff Gods" exist. Usually a Staff God is pictured "front-facing" holding vertical objects (referred to as "staffs") one in each hand. Some scholars think that some variations of the Staff God are possible depictions of Viracocha or Thunupa. Stamp of the Staff God from the Gate of the Sun in Tiwanaku, Bolivia. The figure holds an spearthrower with an avian hook in its right hand. The oldest known depiction of the Staff God was found in 2003 on some broken gourd fragments in a burial site in the Pativilca River Valley (Norte Chico region) and carbon dated to 2250 BCE. This makes it the oldest image of a god to be found in the Americas.[1] There are scholars who maintain that the Wari-Tiwanaku Staff God is the forerunner of the Incan principal gods, Sun, Moon, and Thunder.[2] As the chief deity, it was considered the creator god and served as the primary religious icon of the entire Peruvian Andes, particularly during the Early Horizon (900-200 BC) and beyond.[3] The worship of Staff Gods spread to the Central Andes during the Middle Horizon (600-1000 CE)[4] This is supported by excavated Middle Horizon artifacts that resembled the Staff-God.[5] So let's you and me become THE only alleged LDS "scholars" on this subject and then we can TAKE OVER THE WORLD! Edited July 11, 2022 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted July 11, 2022 Author Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) Could these creator gods be related to the Godhead? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staff_God "The oldest known depiction of the Staff God was found in 2003 on some broken gourd fragments in a burial site in the Pativilca River Valley (Norte Chico region) and carbon dated to 2250 BCE. This makes it the oldest image of a god to be found in the Americas.[1] There are scholars who maintain that the Wari-Tiwanaku Staff God is the forerunner of the Incan principal gods, Sun, Moon, and Thunder.[2] As the chief deity, it was considered the creator god and served as the primary religious icon of the entire Peruvian Andes, particularly during the Early Horizon (900-200 BC) and beyond.[3] The worship of Staff Gods spread to the Central Andes during the Middle Horizon (600-1000 CE)[4] This is supported by excavated Middle Horizon artifacts that resembled the Staff-God.[5]" Edited July 11, 2022 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted July 11, 2022 Author Posted July 11, 2022 This sounds a bit like a "History Channel " blurb, identifying the staff God with Quetzoquatal, and we have been there before, but is there something to this? https://eden-saga.com/en/inca-mythology-meerschaum-peaceful-white-god-christ-of-the-andes-tiki-viracocha.html
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