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[InCognitus]

34 minutes ago, Ranch2727 said:

Well I don’t think we should take his gift of grace for granted, but who among us can keep any let alone all the commandments. 
james 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 
I think he knew we could never be perfect in the law but asked us to do the two.  We have the capacity to only worship  Him and love others. The others not so much.

But doesn't Jesus give us the capacity to do what he asks of us?  If we "offend in one point" (i.e. we commit only one sin in our entire life), then we are guilty of all.  And if we believe in Jesus and repent of our one sin, his atoning sacrifice cleanses us from that sin, and we are actually keeping his commandments, are we not?   

Of course I don't know of anyone that has committed only one sin, but this same concept applies to all of our sins.  Jesus makes us righteous by forgiving us of our past sins and also for our future sins when we repent of those sins.  His atoning sacrifice enables us to actually keep his commandments because he cleanses us from our stumbling in striving to do so, and he and his apostles have taught us to keep his commandments (in many places in the New Testament). 

But you didn't answer my questions above.  What about the other commandments of Jesus?   What about reaping what we sow?   If we do works of the flesh, do we reap corruption?  Or if we do well doing in the Spirit, do we reap everlasting life?  Aren't those things also taught in the New Testament?

Edited July 19, 2022 by InCognitus

[Ranch2727]

I don’t know if you brake a commandment and just repent for the one if all of them are covered.  I do think we will reap what we sow.  What does the Bible teach us about salvation? (The highest) we are told that the laws were in place until Jesus comes. He didn’t come to destroy the law but to fulfill the law.  Then Jesus gave us the two.  So what does one need to do to be saved?

[InCognitus]

49 minutes ago, Ranch2727 said:

I don’t know if you brake a commandment and just repent for the one if all of them are covered.

We are told that godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation (2 Cor 7:10), so it's an ongoing part of our Christian walk in attaining salvation. 

51 minutes ago, Ranch2727 said:

I do think we will reap what we sow.  What does the Bible teach us about salvation?

The Bible teaches us that we need to "believe" in Jesus Christ for salvation, which would include walking in the Spirit and not after the flesh, don't you think?  As it says in Galatians 6:7-9:

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.  For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.  And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not."

If we are not sowing to the Spirit, how else can we reap "life everlasting"?

55 minutes ago, Ranch2727 said:

(The highest) we are told that the laws were in place until Jesus comes. He didn’t come to destroy the law but to fulfill the law.

Yes, of course.  Jesus fulfilled the law of Moses.  But didn't Jesus give us the "law of Christ"?   (See for example, 1 Cor 9:21 and Gal 6:2).  Are we under the law of Christ, and will we be judged by that law?

57 minutes ago, Ranch2727 said:

Then Jesus gave us the two.

Jesus gave us a lot more than two commandments (one non-LDS website counted 1,050 New Testament commandments, but they are duplicating a lot of them).  But Jesus summarized all of them in the two:  Love God and love your neighbor as yourself. 

As an example of some of the other commandments, consider this list that Paul taught that Jesus gave us in 1 Thes 4:1-12:

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1  Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.
2  For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:
4  That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;
5  Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:
6  That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
7  For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
8  He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
9  But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
10  And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
11  And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;
12  That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

So abstaining from fornication, not defrauding anyone in any thing, being holy, loving one another, being industrious and working in our lives, and being honest in all our doings:  All those things can be summed up by "love your neighbor as yourself", but they are included in the commandments we should be keeping.  And keeping these commandments are part of our "sanctification", as Paul says above.

1 hour ago, Ranch2727 said:

So what does one need to do to be saved?

We need to believe in Jesus, which means to act on the things that he taught us and make him a part of our lives, walking in the Spirit until the end.

Do you believe a person can lose their salvation?

[Tacenda]

3 hours ago, Ranch2727 said:

Well I don’t think we should take his gift of grace for granted, but who among us can keep any let alone all the commandments. 
james 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 
I think he knew we could never be perfect in the law but asked us to do the two.  We have the capacity to only worship  Him and love others. The others not so much.

Very good point, I remember a very good lesson by a member in my previous stake and his calling at one time was in the presidency, James L. Farrell (well known LDS author). He was quite out of the box back then I think, or at least I thought it back several years ago when it wasn't common to talk much about grace. I know I'll get flak for saying that, but the link with the article below seems to show I'm not the only one. 

https://www.deseret.com/2017/12/5/20624001/grace-is-not-a-mormon-heresy-lds-leaders-and-scholars-say-after-doctrinal-climate-change

[Ranch2727]

John 3:3 says you must be born again to see the kingdom of heaven.

also confess that God is your only God and you believe in Jesus.  This is all I think one needs to do to live with God in the heaven (the highest) sure I think one can lose their salvation. Stop worshiping, denying God, all others will be Gods job.

[Stargazer]

9 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Very good point, I remember a very good lesson by a member in my previous stake and his calling at one time was in the presidency, James L. Farrell (well known LDS author). He was quite out of the box back then I think, or at least I thought it back several years ago when it wasn't common to talk much about grace. I know I'll get flak for saying that, but the link with the article below seems to show I'm not the only one. 

https://www.deseret.com/2017/12/5/20624001/grace-is-not-a-mormon-heresy-lds-leaders-and-scholars-say-after-doctrinal-climate-change

John Bytheway makes a very big point of this principle in his book "Golden Answers: Why We Need The Book of Mormon" in which he thoroughly shows how deeply the concept of grace is embedded in the Book of Mormon.