Calm Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 For YouTube: Click share, copy link, and then paste in the reply box.
Orthodox Christian Posted January 7, 2022 Author Posted January 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Calm said: For YouTube: Click share, copy link, and then paste in the reply box. Thank you, I am rubbish at this 🙄
Orthodox Christian Posted January 21, 2022 Author Posted January 21, 2022 On 1/3/2022 at 10:56 PM, StandForever said: I agree with "First recognition of the sin as a sin...." As a student of the Bible, I believe that this is the reason that Jesus is the Savior: He saves us from our sins and their consequence, which is death. If we don't recognize our fallen nature, we can't comprehend the need for a Savior. Furthermore, Jesus taught us to pray: "And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors." The implication is that we shouldn't expect to be forgiven if we are unable to forgive others. Jesus also taught us to leave our offerings at the alter, if we have anything against our brother go and put it right before making our offering. If we don't forgive we can't expect forgiveness, we should not judge either, we cannot be saved without our neighbour. The commandment to love our neighbour as we love ourselves is all encompassing, and very difficult to live up to without the grace of God. 1
Orthodox Christian Posted January 21, 2022 Author Posted January 21, 2022 On 1/7/2022 at 4:40 PM, Orthodox Christian said: For YouTube: Click share, copy link, and then paste in the reply box I copied a link from you tube, but I could not find it on my device to paste it. I am really useless at tech.
Calm Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Orthodox Christian said: I copied a link from you tube, but I could not find it on my device to paste it. I am really useless at tech. What was it you wanted to share? Give me enough info to find it and I will post a link for you.
Olmec Donald Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Orthodox Christian said: Jesus also taught us to leave our offerings at the alter, if we have anything against our brother go and put it right before making our offering. If we don't forgive we can't expect forgiveness, we should not judge either, we cannot be saved without our neighbour. The commandment to love our neighbour as we love ourselves is all encompassing, and very difficult to live up to without the grace of God. Well said. There seems to be a direct connection between how forgiving we are and how much forgiveness we can expect: "...AS we forgive those who trespass against us." Since we all need 100% forgiveness, we all need to be 100% forgiving. And with what judgment we judge others, so shall we be judged. Since we all need 100% mercy, we all need to be 100% merciful. Easier said than done - we humans tend to treasure our grievances. I totally agree with your statement that we cannot be saved without our neighbour. Do you mind telling me the scripture and/or line of reasoning that led you to that conclusion? Edited January 21, 2022 by Olmec Donald
Orthodox Christian Posted January 21, 2022 Author Posted January 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Olmec Donald said: Well said. There seems to be a direct connection between how forgiving we are and how much forgiveness we can expect: "...AS we forgive those who trespass against us." Since we all need 100% forgiveness, we all need to be 100% forgiving. And with what judgment we judge others, so shall we be judged. Since we all need 100% mercy, we all need to be 100% merciful. Easier said than done - we humans tend to treasure our grievances. I totally agree with your statement that we cannot be saved without our neighbour. Do you mind telling me the scripture and/or line of reasoning that led you to that conclusion? Hi there, it's not scripture but written by Archbishop Makarios of Australia in his book Lord and Master of my Life-a Study in Spiritual Awareness. Lord and Master of my Life is a prayer of repentence said every day during Great Lent.
Olmec Donald Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Orthodox Christian said: Hi there, it's not scripture but written by Archbishop Makarios of Australia in his book Lord and Master of my Life-a Study in Spiritual Awareness. Lord and Master of my Life is a prayer of repentence said every day during Great Lent. Thank you very much. Imo Archbishop Makarios is very smart and/or inspired to have come to the conclusion that "we cannot be saved without our neighbor", and kudos to you for recognizing and accepting his teaching on the subject. In my opinion there are scriptures within Mormonism which imply that we cannot be saved without our neighbor, but it's not a concept something I can recall being overtly taught in so many words. I'm not aware of Biblical scriptures which strongly support the idea but would like to know of any, hence my question about its underpinnings. But perhaps it's an idea that arises not so much from the exact words of the Book as from familiarity with its Author. (I doubt that it's a conclusion I would have arrived at without there arguably being support for it within Mormon scriptures.) Is the idea that "we cannot be saved without our neighbour" a more or less "mainstream" concept in the Greek Orthodox church, or is it... ahem... somewhat "unorthodox"? Edited January 21, 2022 by Olmec Donald
Orthodox Christian Posted January 21, 2022 Author Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Olmec Donald said: Thank you very much. Imo Archbishop Makarios is very smart and/or inspired to have come to the conclusion that "we cannot be saved without our neighbor", and kudos to you for recognizing and accepting his teaching on the subject. In my opinion there are scriptures within Mormonism which imply that we cannot be saved without our neighbor, but it's not a concept something I can recall being overtly taught in so many words. I'm not aware of Biblical scriptures which strongly support the idea but would like to know of any, hence my question about its underpinnings. But perhaps it's an idea that arises not so much from the exact words of the Book as from familiarity with its Author. (I doubt that it's a conclusion I would have arrived at without there arguably being support for it within Mormon scriptures.) Is the idea that "we cannot be saved without our neighbour" a more or less "mainstream" concept in the Greek Orthodox church, or is it... ahem... somewhat "unorthodox"? It is a well received concept in Orthodoxy, and I would suggest that it is a conclusion drawn from scripture. In Deuteronomy 6 4-5 we hear the great Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one God... Love God with all thine heart, thy soul and with all thy might. In Levticus 19 18 we find Love thy neighbour as thyself. Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ paraphrased these Old Testament Scriptures in Matthew 22 35-40 when he exhorts his followers to love God above all else and to love our neighbour as ourselves. And in Mark 12 31 He declares that no commandment is greater than these. In Galations 5 14 St Paul states that the entire Law is fulfilled in the single decree to Love your neighbour as yourself. With such weight as quoted by Christ Himself in these Scrptures which form the greatest commandments, and we are told to keep Christ's commandments, then I think it's reasonable to conclude that they are inseparable and both have to be kept for our salvation. I haven't read the Archbishop's book, but I would like to, however it isn't on Amazon UK. I hope that sort of explains it. Edited January 21, 2022 by Orthodox Christian 2
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