snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 22 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: There are some good non-alcoholic beers. When you look at the WOW do you read the text itself or use the current salt lake COJCOLDS take on the WOW?
Stargazer Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 14 hours ago, The Nehor said: I would not. The odds favor the house in 21 and there is little skill involved beyond memorization. If you play the game perfectly the house only has a slight edge. To give yourself the edge you have to count cards or develop some other advantage. The house is good at what they do. Same reason I would not play Pok er at one. Their games are not like real pok er and their games all (surprise!) have a house edge. Real pok er once you can read a hand and the odds quickly is about psychology and manipulation. I love the game. I enjoy both, too. As for black jack, the gambling establishments are always on the watch for card counters. If you have an eidetic memory (think Rainman) you can pull it off a little before they get suspicious and politely ask you to leave. Spoilsports!
Stargazer Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, snowflake said: When you look at the WOW do you read the text itself or use the current salt lake COJCOLDS take on the WOW? What is the SLC COJCOLDS take on it? Oddly enough, I'm not sure what your take on the SLC COJCOLDS take of it is. 🙂
Stargazer Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 7 hours ago, california boy said: Nothing shows a stronger testimony than someone willing to drink Postum. That stuff tastes like boiled hay. I'll have to vote with you on this. Pero is OK, though. 1
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I enjoy both, too. As for black jack, the gambling establishments are always on the watch for card counters. If you have an eidetic memory (think Rainman) you can pull it off a little before they get suspicious and politely ask you to leave. Spoilsports! They are very good at catching card counters now and can ask you to leave if they even suspect it including if your bet size suddenly increases because you have been card counting. This has led to a lot of strategies to hide the move. The most common method I know of is you get a couple of people who card count to go to various tables. When the deck is “good” you make a subtle signal and have a friend join you and they come in and bet big. I know way too much about gambling.....
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 8 hours ago, california boy said: Nothing shows a stronger testimony than someone willing to drink Postum. That stuff tastes like boiled hay. That is also what I think of herbal tea. It is water and you boiled some grass in it. It is nasty. People only drank it in the past because they needed to boil water to make sure they did not die drinking water. Can we just accept that it is a pointless historical artifact that has fulfilled its purpose and move on? 1
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, snowflake said: When you look at the WOW do you read the text itself or use the current salt lake COJCOLDS take on the WOW? Both. I went out to dinner last night and my friend and I each had a 22 oz rib-eye and side and salad and appetizer and lots of bread. The counsel to eat meat sparingly seems wiser this morning then it usually does.
snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 21 hours ago, The Nehor said: Yes, I would just keep on drinking LOL! How the LDS got by in the old west without whiskey is truly a miracle!...wait.....they did use whiskey.....never mind.
MustardSeed Posted July 10, 2019 Author Posted July 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, snowflake said: Yes, I would just keep on drinking LOL! How the LDS got by in the old west without whiskey is truly a miracle!...wait.....they did use whiskey.....never mind. Lol well not everyone needs booze to survive life
MustardSeed Posted July 10, 2019 Author Posted July 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Both. I went out to dinner last night and my friend and I each had a 22 oz rib-eye and side and salad and appetizer and lots of bread. The counsel to eat meat sparingly seems wiser this morning then it usually does. Here, enjoy a fist full of plums and a large slice of watermelon.
snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 18 hours ago, SettingDogStar said: That happens sometimes. As much as I sometimes dislike the bad practice of putting the “current handbook” over the scriptures, this is a case where a small would handbook come in handy. Bishops and SP need to stick to the guidelines and interpretations in there because that stops freelancing like that. I'm not sure where in the scriptures all of these things being discussed are forbidden, other than D&C 89.....The bible says not to be a drunkard but does not for bid alcohol....is there anywhere in the BOM or other scriptures where alcohol is forbidden?.... Also D&C 89 allows for wine and mild barley drinks (beer)...if you want to really follow the scriptures.
MustardSeed Posted July 10, 2019 Author Posted July 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, snowflake said: I'm not sure where in the scriptures all of these things being discussed are forbidden, other than D&C 89.....The bible says not to be a drunkard but does not for bid alcohol....is there anywhere in the BOM or other scriptures where alcohol is forbidden?.... Also D&C 89 allows for wine and mild barley drinks (beer)...if you want to really follow the scriptures. I don’t judge anyone who drinks, trust me. I do respect those who make a promise and follow through, and I don’t believe it’s impossible to get through life without altering. If someone such as yourself believes it’s gods will that they drink, I don’t worry about you. I just disagree gently with the hint that people need alcohol to get through the hard stuff. I’ve been wrong before, though.
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 41 minutes ago, snowflake said: Yes, I would just keep on drinking LOL! How the LDS got by in the old west without whiskey is truly a miracle!...wait.....they did use whiskey.....never mind. One of my favorite stories was the one Hugh Nibley’s great grandfather told him about crossing the plains. Said the kids had a great time on the trail and it was like school being out and that the guy in charge of their train insisted that every man, woman, and child drink a big hot cup of Arbuckle coffee every morning so they had the energy to make it through the day. 1
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, snowflake said: I'm not sure where in the scriptures all of these things being discussed are forbidden, other than D&C 89.....The bible says not to be a drunkard but does not for bid alcohol....is there anywhere in the BOM or other scriptures where alcohol is forbidden?.... Also D&C 89 allows for wine and mild barley drinks (beer)...if you want to really follow the scriptures. D&C 89 forbids strong drink which means alcoholic beverages but seems to allow mild beer. To be fair the change to forbidding entirely makes sense as the alcohol content of beer has gone up since then. I suppose you could argue that the milder “small beers” should be allowed but there seems less point to it now. Always remember though that the Word of Wisdom is not an eternal commandment. It is only for right now in this dispensation. It could be thrown out tomorrow with no doctrinal problems whatsoever. I suspect it is partially for safety due to the designs of the crafty men the revelation mentions and partially to make the Saints stand out in the same way many of the Mosaic Law requirements did for the Jews. 2
mfbukowski Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) On 7/9/2019 at 6:32 AM, Hamba Tuhan said: A teaspoon. Could be several grams. Not mg, but grams. That could do it. A tablet size dose is often 200 mg. as in no-doz Edited July 10, 2019 by mfbukowski
snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, MustardSeed said: I don’t judge anyone who drinks, trust me. I do respect those who make a promise and follow through, and I don’t believe it’s impossible to get through life without altering. If someone such as yourself believes it’s gods will that they drink, I don’t worry about you. I just disagree gently with the hint that people need alcohol to get through the hard stuff. I’ve been wrong before, though. I use Jesus to get through it all.... Jesus, all of his Apostles....all of ancient Israel.....and most of the early LDS leaders used wine...the Bible says it is allowed, and i'm not sure if it is forbidden in the BOM or not.... Jesus has told us Matthew 15: [11] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Popular Post mfbukowski Posted July 10, 2019 Popular Post Posted July 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, The Nehor said: D&C 89 forbids strong drink which means alcoholic beverages but seems to allow mild beer. To be fair the change to forbidding entirely makes sense as the alcohol content of beer has gone up since then. I suppose you could argue that the milder “small beers” should be allowed but there seems less point to it now. Always remember though that the Word of Wisdom is not an eternal commandment. It is only for right now in this dispensation. It could be thrown out tomorrow with no doctrinal problems whatsoever. I suspect it is partially for safety due to the designs of the crafty men the revelation mentions and partially to make the Saints stand out in the same way many of the Mosaic Law requirements did for the Jews. I believe the intent is social distance from the world more than anything. Before I was a member I wanted to date this girl. Somebody said she was a Mormon I did not know what that was. I told the person I would just ask her out for a drink. She told me that Mormons don't drink. I said oh that's okay we'll just go out for some coffee. We went out to a PG movie. Can't win for losing. 5
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, snowflake said: I use Jesus to get through it all.... Jesus, all of his Apostles....all of ancient Israel.....and most of the early LDS leaders used wine...the Bible says it is allowed, and i'm not sure if it is forbidden in the BOM or not.... Jesus has told us Matthew 15: [11] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Yet there is no record of Jesus eating pork because he followed the Law. 1
snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Yet there is no record of Jesus eating pork because he followed the Law. Agreed...no pork documentation....yet he picked grain and ate it on the Sabbath....which was forbidden.
mfbukowski Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, snowflake said: I'm not sure where in the scriptures all of these things being discussed are forbidden, other than D&C 89.....The bible says not to be a drunkard but does not for bid alcohol....is there anywhere in the BOM or other scriptures where alcohol is forbidden?.... Also D&C 89 allows for wine and mild barley drinks (beer)...if you want to really follow the scriptures. The D&C is scripture, for our times and I find it more relevant for my life today than the Bible. We have all read section 89 many times. That is what the thread is about. You should read it. Edited July 10, 2019 by mfbukowski
snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: Both. I went out to dinner last night and my friend and I each had a 22 oz rib-eye and side and salad and appetizer and lots of bread. The counsel to eat meat sparingly seems wiser this morning then it usually does. So you ate meat in the summer...a nice big a$$ rib-eye....sounds delicious, so tell me why violating the WOW that way is allowed but having a cold barley beverage (beer) to wash it down would be grounds for losing a temple recommend? The language of D&C 89 forbids the meat and allows the beer. 1
snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: I believe the intent is social distance from the world more than anything. Before I was a member I wanted to date this girl. Somebody said she was a Mormon I did not know what that was. I told the person I would just ask her out for a drink. She told me that Mormons don't drink. I said oh that's okay we'll just go out for some coffee. We went out to a PG movie. Can't win for losing. That's funny!!!!
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, snowflake said: Agreed...no pork documentation....yet he picked grain and ate it on the Sabbath....which was forbidden. It was forbidden only by a weird interpretation and not by the Torah. That interpretation was oddball even for the Pharisees and was not commonly taught and it is likely this was a desperate accusation to humiliate Jesus by people looking for anything to accuse him with and they probably would have left Joe Average alone if they saw him picking grain to eat on his way. Jesus followed the Torah very well and took little notice of the former except to mock it. I suspect Jesus was being very sarcastic in his response. His defense was to bring up David eating the sacred bread due to an emergency. Analogy to clarify what I mean: Basically they were trying to call Jesus for the equivalent of jaywalking on an abandoned country road and Jesus brings up that in the aftermath of a hurricane while you were starving it was okay to break the law and break into a grocery store to get a loaf of bread. He was mocking their extreme response to a non-violation by showing them a real violation in an extreme situation where it was okay, contrasting their hyperbolic interpretation with an actual exception with the difference in severity of the violation designed to make them feel ridiculous. 1
snowflake Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 37 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: The D&C is scripture, for our times and I find it more relevant for my life today than the Bible. We have all read section 89 many times. That is what the thread is about. You should read it. For such a legalistic group (COJCOLDS) I find it very perplexing as to why the group doesn't follow it's own Prophet's teachings. When you read section 89, wine is allowed if produced by the saints for their sacrament....today that is taboo. Mild barley drinks (beer) are allowed....today that is taboo. Meat should be eaten sparingly and in the winter......taboo.....eat as much as you want whenever. The WOW is not a commandment or constraint according to the text but a principle with a promise....try drinking a coffee at your next LDS function (or be really rebellious and drink a near beer) and see what happens. The church doesn't even follow the teachings of Joseph's D&C section 89...... I remember as a kid my Dad drinking near beer and my father getting into a long Discussion with the bishop about the wording of section 89.....Dad din't drink near beer after the Bishop corrected his error.....section 89 is not up for different interpretations if you want to go to the temple.
The Nehor Posted July 10, 2019 Posted July 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, snowflake said: So you ate meat in the summer...a nice big a$$ rib-eye....sounds delicious, so tell me why violating the WOW that way is allowed but having a cold barley beverage (beer) to wash it down would be grounds for losing a temple recommend? The language of D&C 89 forbids the meat and allows the beer. It was a time of much want. I really wanted that ribeye and had not eaten anything solid in almost 48 hours. 14 minutes ago, snowflake said: For such a legalistic group (COJCOLDS) I find it very perplexing as to why the group doesn't follow it's own Prophet's teachings. When you read section 89, wine is allowed if produced by the saints for their sacrament....today that is taboo. Mild barley drinks (beer) are allowed....today that is taboo. Meat should be eaten sparingly and in the winter......taboo.....eat as much as you want whenever. The WOW is not a commandment or constraint according to the text but a principle with a promise....try drinking a coffee at your next LDS function (or be really rebellious and drink a near beer) and see what happens. The church doesn't even follow the teachings of Joseph's D&C section 89...... I remember as a kid my Dad drinking near beer and my father getting into a long Discussion with the bishop about the wording of section 89.....Dad din't drink near beer after the Bishop corrected his error.....section 89 is not up for different interpretations if you want to go to the temple. I do not think we are that legalistic in the sense of proof texting the scriptures. We generally rate the counsel and interpretations of the apostles more highly then we do scripture and I believe we are right to do so. 1
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