Noah's Ark.....i know call me crazy.

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15 minutes ago, cinepro said:

But he was set apart as the "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", not just the "Prophet" (or "a Prophet").  When it was presented in General Conference, this was also the office to which he was sustained:

 

Perhaps the church was rudderless for a few months?

[Marginal Gains]

13 hours ago, cinepro said:

But he was set apart as the "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints", not just the "Prophet" (or "a Prophet").  When it was presented in General Conference, this was also the office to which he was sustained:

 

Interestingly, they don’t set apart new Apostles until after the sustaining vote at the next available General Conference.

I’m guessing the statutory requirements of a Corporate Sole drive the appointment of a President, rather than the doctrine of the Church.

[ignorance]

Too much off-topic comments her which should be deleted IMO.

There are 100's if not 1000s of global flood stories from around the world. The book that I found which may have the most such stories is "Folklore in the Old Testament", which is over 100 years old.  If you know of a better book, let me know (message me)

Notice 

1: the authors clear personal opinion in accepting/rejecting certain stories/parts with no real objective reasons (bias) other than they are too similar to the Biblical  story.

2. the authors general contempt for the old testament--more bias of course

3. how he refers an older idea that the flood was just possibly the Bosphorus Straight (you know, popularized again recently in teh media and minds of americans)

4. makes statements which are not true, and therefore weakens his final arguments, like the fact there are many stories in africa, but it wasnt known at the time.

5. the other remarkably similar stories found around the world like the tower of bable and Creation. Hmmm. weird. 

So while stories of the flood are increasing with time, knowledge of them among the general public is decreasing, esp since christian church attendance goes down. This is the paradox of knowledge.

Ignorance.

[mfbukowski]

On 4/17/2018 at 7:45 AM, snowflake said:

Mr.Wyatt found a lot of evidence pointing to a huge ancient ship, rivets,....

Rivets? What- made of wood??

 

[Calm]

3 hours ago, ignorance said:

So while stories of the flood are increasing with time, knowledge of them among the general public is decreasing, esp since christian church attendance goes down. This is the paradox of knowledge.

 

Your point in resurrecting this thread?

[smac97]

On 4/17/2018 at 11:44 AM, Sevenbak said:

President Nelson believes in no-death before the fall, as well as being an anti-evolutionist.

CFRs, please.

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

On 4/17/2018 at 12:04 PM, JAHS said:

Joseph Smith's translation in the Book of Moses says the following:

"And the Lord said unto Noah: My Spirit shall not always strive with man, for he shall know that all flesh shall die; yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years; and if men do not repent, I will send in the floods upon them.
And God said unto Noah: The end of all flesh is come before me, for the earth is filled with violence, and behold I will destroy all flesh from off the earth." (Moses 8: 17, 30)

Sounds like a real global flood happened to me. If it didn't really happen Joseph Smith would not have received the revelation to write this in the Book of Moses. 

"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Cæsar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed."  (Luke 2:1)

How do you construe "all the world" in this verse?

Thanks,

-Smac

[smac97]

On 4/17/2018 at 12:09 PM, rongo said:

You also have Ether 13:2, which speaks of the Jaredite/Nephite land as being a promised land "after the waters had receded off the face of this land" --- and others. There is a reason why the only official items appearing in Church materials or from General Authorities are in favor of a global flood. 

There is a tension between the "simple" members who believe this, and the "nuanced" members who don't.

I wouldn't put it that way.

On 4/17/2018 at 12:09 PM, rongo said:

The only reason why they don't is because they find it to be impossible and incredible, with a little embarrassment of how the world sees it now.

I'm not sure that's correct, either.  I think plenty of people who believe in a limited-scope flood also believe in miracles, the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, etc.

I think the reasons for divergent viewpoints about the flood arises from it being a kinda sorta testable claim.  FAIR provides a pretty good overview.

On 4/17/2018 at 12:09 PM, rongo said:

So, they go for the slippery slope that leads to really none of the Bible events really happening until you get to Jesus.

Again, I don't think that's correct.

On 4/17/2018 at 12:09 PM, rongo said:

The "red line" is that you have to believe that Jesus really lived and that he really rose from the dead, or you're not really a Mormon or a Christian in any meaningful way. 

I think there are very few people (any?) who subscribe to a "I only believe in the miracle of the resurrection, all others described in scripture are bogus" line of reasoning.

Thanks,

-Smac

[Scott Lloyd]

4 hours ago, Calm said:

Your point in resurrecting this thread?

I’m wondering that myself. It’s over two years old.