Jeanne Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 12:53 PM, Danzo said: Experience definitely changes perspective. My wife experienced sexual abuse as a child. While she has, through the help of the atonement, been able to forgive and move on in her life, there is still a healthy lack of trust in other men. My children, perhaps, feel they have more restrictions on sleepovers, and spending time at other people's houses, etc than many other children as a result. When they complain about us being too restrictive, we can only hope that they are right and will always feel that way, that they won't have the life experiences to make them truly understand why those restrictions feel so justified to us. May I ask why your wife would need the help of atonement?
Bernard Gui Posted February 24, 2018 Author Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/19/2018 at 11:53 AM, Danzo said: Experience definitely changes perspective. My wife experienced sexual abuse as a child. While she has, through the help of the atonement, been able to forgive and move on in her life, there is still a healthy lack of trust in other men. My children, perhaps, feel they have more restrictions on sleepovers, and spending time at other people's houses, etc than many other children as a result. When they complain about us being too restrictive, we can only hope that they are right and will always feel that way, that they won't have the life experiences to make them truly understand why those restrictions feel so justified to us. Every one of our 5 married children do not allow their kids to have sleepovers, even with relatives. I think that is very wise, not overprotective. 2
Bernard Gui Posted February 24, 2018 Author Posted February 24, 2018 (edited) On 2/14/2018 at 7:29 AM, smac97 said: Yep. I bet Bernard's friend would like to have a presumption of innocence right now. And she's entitled to it. Whether she'll actually get it, however . . . Bernard, I hope your friend figures out a way to survive this. I really do. But I'm not optimistic. If I were in her shoes, I would fight back tooth and nail She has just started working with a .2 contract in another school and is hoping to parlay that eventually into a full contract as she proves her character to the administration. Edited February 24, 2018 by Bernard Gui 1
bluebell Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Jeanne said: May I ask why your wife would need the help of atonement? Because the Atonement helps us heal. 2
Jeanne Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, bluebell said: Because the Atonement helps us heal. Okay....i , for a moment thought that she was seeking a repentance that was not necessary. But forgiveness IS necessary. 1
Danzo Posted February 24, 2018 Posted February 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Jeanne said: May I ask why your wife would need the help of atonement? From a theological perspective Christ suffered for all pains of all sins as part of the atonement, regardless of who is at fault. "And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people. And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities." From her personal point of view. The things she suffered left her badly injured and hurt, with severe emotional pain and suffering. After she joined the church, she was able to be healed and cleansed from the hurt and pain and suffering she experienced. She attributes this to the power of the atonement of Jesus Christ. I believe her. 3
Meerkat Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, Meerkat said: Is personal destruction the price eventually expected to be paid? Life is pain. Since the advent of the internet, sexual bad behavior has spun out of control. Our society needs proper motivation to straighten up and fly right so we can have a decent workplace and society. There needs to be accountability for such behavior. But all bad behavior doesn't belong in that category. If we could be a little introspective, as you were in the quotation below, we would realize that there, but for the Grace of God, go I. I believe such recognition could moderate our extreme reaction to human mistakes and misunderstandings. On 2/13/2018 at 8:55 PM, Bernard Gui said: I would guess many of us have things things in our closets that could be used to destroy us if someone wanted to for whatever reason they might have. Sometimes those things are in the distant past and have been dealt with through the repentance process. In our additiction recovery program, one crucial step is to make a list of everyone we have offended and to be willing to make amends with them when possible. If we spend some moments of honest, serious reflection, many of us will be surprised at the length of our lists. I thought it would be easy, but as my list grew it became overwhelming. I quickly realized I would never be able in this life to make those amends with everyone, but I have become willing to do it in the eternities and I hope and expect that time will come. We ALL need Grace. Do we hurt people? Yes. Have we harmed people? Probably. I love this quotation by CV75. It is a perspective I never thought of before, and brings great comfort and peace to me. Maybe the solution is Revival. Maybe the solution is a grassroots movement to engage our friends in the healing power of Jesus Christ's Atoning sacrifice for us. On 2/14/2018 at 6:17 AM, CV75 said: the Atonement of Christ also makes it possible for the offended to be restored and forgive us, completely unbeknownst to us in this life, and in this there is also hope that they are taken care of and effectively undisturbed by us. Edited February 25, 2018 by Meerkat 1
Jeanne Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Danzo said: From a theological perspective Christ suffered for all pains of all sins as part of the atonement, regardless of who is at fault. "And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people. And he will take upon him death, that he may loose the bands of death which bind his people; and he will take upon him their infirmities, that his bowels may be filled with mercy, according to the flesh, that he may know according to the flesh how to succor his people according to their infirmities." From her personal point of view. The things she suffered left her badly injured and hurt, with severe emotional pain and suffering. After she joined the church, she was able to be healed and cleansed from the hurt and pain and suffering she experienced. She attributes this to the power of the atonement of Jesus Christ. I believe her. I understand now..and thank you for putting this to words. I so admire your wife..her strength..and her power of forgiveness and faith. 1
Meerkat Posted February 25, 2018 Posted February 25, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Jeanne said: I understand now..and thank you for putting this to words. I so admire your wife..her strength..and her power of forgiveness and faith. I have seen other circumstances where forgiveness, although required of us (forgive seventy times seven" or "forgive all men,") sometimes the offense is so deep and unjust, the idea of forgiving the offender-- especially if the offender is unrepentant, seems impossible, maybe even wrong. That is where Christ's Atonement (and time to build up to it,) comes in. We really do need to have a deep admiration for these people who have been harmed, and arrived at the place where they can forgive and let The Savior deal with the offender, as only He can. As for those who can't forgive, God bless them, help them and give them peace. Edited February 25, 2018 by Meerkat 4
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