Thinking Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 (edited) My wife and I are traveling around the United States and we stopped to see the Hill Cumorah Pageant on closing night. There were three things I noticed that seemed to be different from the previous time that we saw it (13 years ago). When Nephi and his brothers were sent back to get the plates of Brass they immediately returned with the plates. There was no conflict with Laban. The narrator stated that God had led other groups of people to North and South America. After the final battle, the narrator stated that Moroni would be led to the place where he would bury the plates. It also seemed to be shorter (about 75 minutes). The parking lot was on the same side of the road as the pageant. This made it unnecessary for patrons to cross the street, so they didn't have walk by the protestors. Edited July 18, 2016 by Thinking
Thinking Posted July 18, 2016 Author Posted July 18, 2016 This protestor seems to be refusing a handshake from somebody who looks official.
RevTestament Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 9 hours ago, Thinking said: My wife and I are traveling around the United States and we stopped to see the Hill Cumorah Pageant on closing night. There were three things I noticed that seemed to be different from the previous time that we saw it (13 years ago). When Nephi and his brothers were sent back to get the plates of Brass they immediately returned with the plates. There was no conflict with Laban. The narrator stated that God had led other groups of people to North and South America. After the final battle, the narrator stated that Moroni would be led to the place where he would bury the plates. It also seemed to be shorter (about 75 minutes). The parking lot was on the same side of the road as the pageant. This made it unnecessary for patrons to cross the street, so they didn't have walk by the protestors. I assume you are saying there was no inference the plates had been buried there. I just find that to be a curious position for the church to take at a pageant at Cumorah esp given the pageant name.
Thinking Posted July 18, 2016 Author Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, RevTestament said: I assume you are saying there was no inference the plates had been buried there. I just find that to be a curious position for the church to take at a pageant at Cumorah esp given the pageant name. I think the inference was that the final battle didn't necessarily take place there. 1
Guest Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 12 hours ago, Thinking said: This protestor seems to be refusing a handshake from somebody who looks official. If I were a Mormon or not, when I see pictures such as this and those around Temple Square one thing is for sure. I would give my life to protect their right to believe and practice their Faith without facing such people. This is America, where "Freedom of Religion" should be a "Religion". It simply breaks my heart, and brings sorrow to my soul, and too often drives me to my knees while I exclaim; Why!
Storm Rider Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 Protestants have an interesting manner of approaching Latter-day Saints. I find most of their actions unappealing if not, at times, repugnant. However, I suspect many Protestants find our missionary efforts to be unappealing if not repugnant. Beauty remains in the eye of the beholder. One thing that is absolutely clear to me - I have never been tempted to protest another group's (church, religion, denomination, etc.) meetings, social functions, or conventions. It simply has never crossed my mind to entertain such a concept. Maybe I am just too lazy to consider passing time in such an endeavor. 2
RevTestament Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 56 minutes ago, Pa Pa said: If I were a Mormon or not, when I see pictures such as this and those around Temple Square one thing is for sure. I would give my life to protect their right to believe and practice their Faith without facing such people. This is America, where "Freedom of Religion" should be a "Religion". It simply breaks my heart, and brings sorrow to my soul, and too often drives me to my knees while I exclaim; Why! Freedom of religion does not impair freedom of speech in public places. I will engage the non-bellicose "missionaries." I have had enjoyed table chats with some.
Guest Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, RevTestament said: Freedom of religion does not impair freedom of speech in public places. I will engage the non-bellicose "missionaries." I have had enjoyed table chats with some. It indeed does not impair, free speech. It is a violation of manners, and common decency, to invade with signs, bullhorns, and vulgarity that which is sacred to others in the practice of their Faith. At Temple Square I have seen pictures and witnessed men yelling profanity at families on their way to Conference. Of course at General Conference, the crazies are more easily found, yelling, signs, garments dragged, Book of Mormon's with holes drilled into them so they can be dragged about with rope. I have viewed videos of school children being harassed on the sidewalks leaving early morning Siminary outside Chapels on the way to school. I remember when the Atlanta Temple was having it's open house in 1983, many of the same things seen at General Conference. When the Church broadcast to Wards around the world the dedication of the Nauvoo Temple, people trying to pass out pamphlets outside our Stake Meeting House and the police having to be called because they would not go down to the sidewalk. One morning I arrived for our Sunday Bishopric meeting at 6: 30AM, and upon entering the Chapel to turn up the heat, I noticed that the Chapel had pamphlets on the back row, when I discovered they were anti-Mormon pamphlets, we decided to look throughout the building. Someone had come in through a classroom window and placed them all over the building. "Free Speech", is not free...it always comes with a price when used in this manner. I grew up and lived in Georgia for my entire life (except the eight years in the Army), so we got to see a lot new stories of Black Churches being shot at, blow up and burned down...the Jewish Synagogue on Peachtree Street (one of the oldest and largest in the South) being bombed here in Atlanta. Of course the items listed in this paragraph, are crimes and not "free speech", but all acts of violence grow out of evil men who use such freedoms to inspire weaker minded men and women to act upon their words. But, let us fast forward to today; how many Faithsin the Western Hemisphere have to attend worship services while witnessing such acts of evil?
theplains Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 15 hours ago, Thinking said: My wife and I are traveling around the United States and we stopped to see the Hill Cumorah Pageant on closing night. There were three things I noticed that seemed to be different from the previous time that we saw it (13 years ago). When Nephi and his brothers were sent back to get the plates of Brass they immediately returned with the plates. There was no conflict with Laban. The narrator stated that God had led other groups of people to North and South America. After the final battle, the narrator stated that Moroni would be led to the place where he would bury the plates. I think they wanted to avoid mention of the Book of Mormon showing or stating that the Holy Spirit told Nephi to kill a drunken Laban. As for the part of leading other groups of people to North and South America, there is no evidence this happened in the time frame of the Book of Mormon. Only the Jaredites, Nephites, and Mulekites (if that's a valid term for his group) are referred to - with absolutely no indication of where they landed. As for burying the plates, there is no indication that Moroni would have to travel a great distance to bury the plates. Thanks, Jim
RevTestament Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Pa Pa said: It indeed does not impair, free speech. It is a violation of manners, and common decency, to invade with signs, bullhorns, and vulgarity that which is sacred to others in the practice of their Faith. At Temple Square I have seen pictures and witnessed men yelling profanity at families on their way to Conference. Of course at General Conference, the crazies are more easily found, yelling, signs, garments dragged, Book of Mormon's with holes drilled into them so they can be dragged about with rope. I have viewed videos of school children being harassed on the sidewalks leaving early morning Siminary outside Chapels on the way to school. I remember when the Atlanta Temple was having it's open house in 1983, many of the same things seen at General Conference. When the Church broadcast to Wards around the world the dedication of the Nauvoo Temple, people trying to pass out pamphlets outside our Stake Meeting House and the police having to be called because they would not go down to the sidewalk. One morning I arrived for our Sunday Bishopric meeting at 6: 30AM, and upon entering the Chapel to turn up the heat, I noticed that the Chapel had pamphlets on the back row, when I discovered they were anti-Mormon pamphlets, we decided to look throughout the building. Someone had come in through a classroom window and placed them all over the building. "Free Speech", is not free...it always comes with a price when used in this manner. I grew up and lived in Georgia for my entire life (except the eight years in the Army), so we got to see a lot new stories of Black Churches being shot at, blow up and burned down...the Jewish Synagogue on Peachtree Street (one of the oldest and largest in the South) being bombed here in Atlanta. Of course the items listed in this paragraph, are crimes and not "free speech", but all acts of violence grow out of evil men who use such freedoms to inspire weaker minded men and women to act upon their words. But, let us fast forward to today; how many Faithsin the Western Hemisphere have to attend worship services while witnessing such acts of evil? Nothing in the picture suggested these men were being vulgar, but yes I have confronted such men being vulgar, and yes I believe they are abusing their free speech.
Guest Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 2 hours ago, RevTestament said: Nothing in the picture suggested these men were being vulgar, but yes I have confronted such men being vulgar, and yes I believe they are abusing their free speech. The picture just reminded me, as did the man who would not extend his hand. Experienced this kind of behavior all the time over the last 37 years of my life.
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