April 2016 GC talk on "Choices"

[theplains]

On 17/04/2016 at 6:09 PM, Robert F. Smith said:

The LDS understanding of Jesus Christ is the most authentic because it is backed by prophecy and the Holy Spirit.

Looks like we have a difference of beliefs. Some LDS teachings of Jesus Christ are not found 
in scripture. The LDS version of Christ is a procreated being who progressed into becoming a 
God, just like the LDS version of Heavenly Father before him.

We can agree to disagree.  The Holy Spirit testifies to me what the scriptures say. That God 
is from everlasting to everlasting. There is no God before him and no God after him (Isaiah
chapters 43 and 44).

Regards,
Jim

[theplains]

On 18/04/2016 at 11:16 PM, Russell C McGregor said:

Was he?

But then you write this:

Don't you know that "both God and man" is a creedal formulation that isn't found in the Bible?

Do you believe Jesus was God in human flesh?

Jim

[theplains]

On 17/04/2016 at 2:57 PM, Bobbieaware said:

In Mormon theology, Christ was the eternal God before he was born in the spirit world as a spirit son of Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother, in much the same way he was God before he was born as the fleshly offspring of Heavenly Father and Mary on this earth. Christ didn't stop being the eternal God after his birth on earth, even though he grew in wisdom and learned how to become perfect through the things which he suffered. Similarly, Christ's learning experiences in the pre-earth life do not negate the fact that he was the eternal God before his birth as a organized spirit. We are not as far apart as you think we are. 

Do you believe in your church's teachings that Jesus became a God?

Jim

[Robert F. Smith]

17 minutes ago, theplains said:

Looks like we have a difference of beliefs. Some LDS teachings of Jesus Christ are not found 
in scripture. The LDS version of Christ is a procreated being who progressed into becoming a 
God, just like the LDS version of Heavenly Father before him.

We can agree to disagree.  The Holy Spirit testifies to me what the scriptures say. That God 
is from everlasting to everlasting. There is no God before him and no God after him (Isaiah
chapters 43 and 44).

Regards,
Jim

I often hear people say things like this, but seldom find them able to support their view with Scripture, tradition, or logic.  What we more often find are a congeries of views running the spectrum of possible, imaginative approaches to religious belief -- whatever the free individual finds holds the most meaning  for him personally.  This is the source also of rampant denominationalism, which is increasing rather than decreasing -- a kind of  uncontrolled religious anarchy.  If you are happy with that, fine.  Please be aware, however, that assertion is not the same thing as fact.  Serious biblical scholarship does not support your assertions here.

[Bobbieaware]

28 minutes ago, theplains said:

Do you believe in your church's teachings that Jesus became a God?

Jim

Reread my post. Your question is already answered therein.

[Ahab]

On 4/12/2016 at 4:42 PM, theplains said:

Oh man.  Totally missed that grammar mistake  I meant "still save".  Hopefully the others captured the intended meaning.

Jim

You can still repent!... er, uh, I mean edit, that.

Only the TRUE Jesus can save us, Jim.

 

[telnetd]

On 21/04/2016 at 7:39 PM, Robert F. Smith said:

I often hear people say things like this, but seldom find them able to support their view with Scripture, tradition, or logic.  What we more often find are a congeries of views running the spectrum of possible, imaginative approaches to religious belief -- whatever the free individual finds holds the most meaning  for him personally.  This is the source also of rampant denominationalism, which is increasing rather than decreasing -- a kind of  uncontrolled religious anarchy.  If you are happy with that, fine.  Please be aware, however, that assertion is not the same thing as fact.  Serious biblical scholarship does not support your assertions here.

Can you show me from scripture that Jesus is the first spirit child of 
Heavenly Mother and Father who became a God and that Heavenly Father
was once a man who progressed into becoming a God too?

Gail

[Robert F. Smith]

3 hours ago, telnetd said:

Can you show me from scripture that Jesus is the first spirit child of 
Heavenly Mother and Father who became a God and that Heavenly Father
was once a man who progressed into becoming a God too?

Gail

Hi, Gail.

I was responding to Jim's claims, and I commented to him that " Serious biblical scholarship does not support your assertions here"  You might want to open a new thread to cover what you are asking here, which is a very different matter.  If, however, you agree with Jim, please provide examples of serious biblical scholarship which support his claims.  I know of none.