cdowis Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) The answer to my own question ==>> is a member of the Q70 a Seventy? NO! For the very practical reason that anyone who is called to that position would already have been ordained a High Priest, and you don't ordain a High Priest to a Seventy. There is still a "Seventy" from the old days when you had a local 70's quorum, but I understand that the church has instructed that they be ordained as High Priest. Now, it is possible that there are special situations where I may be mistaken. Edited March 17, 2016 by cdowis
JLHPROF Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 1 minute ago, cdowis said: The answer to my own question ==>> is a member of the Q70 a Seventy? NO! For the very practical reason that anyone who is called to that position would already have been ordained a High Priest, and you don't ordain a High Priest to a Seventy. Which would make the Q70 a calling, not a priesthood office. Which would mean no ordained seventies still in the Church.
cdowis Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) 18 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: Which would make the Q70 a calling, not a priesthood office. Which would mean no ordained seventies still in the Church. You can obviously ordain a High Priest to the office of an Apostle, which is why you have Apostles but no ordained Seventies. Which brings up the question -- Christ ordained 12 apostles in America, but they were obviously not in the Q12. Does this mean that there was a second Q12 (similar to the Q70), or were they NOT apostles at all but actually members of the Q70? But that makes no sense, since this quorum is under the direct authority of the Q12, which are the key holders. Elder Ezra Taft Benson mentioned the possibility of multiple Q12 when he visited the missions in Germany. Edited March 17, 2016 by cdowis
JLHPROF Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Just now, cdowis said: You can obviously ordain a High Priest to the office of an Apostle, which is why you have Apostles but no ordained Seventies. Which is funny since D&C 20 tells us an Apostle is an Elder. Maybe Pres. Woodruff was more literal than we realized in stating there are Elder Apostles, Seventy Apostles, and High Priest Apostles.
Duncan Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 A seventy is a priesthood office in the Church but as such you are set apart as a member of one of the 8 quorums, It used to be that members of the 1st Council of the Seventy (which were GA's) were Seventies but not High Priests but they changed that in I think 1961 when people like Elders McConkie and Hanks and the 5 others were ordained High Priests. Among other things they were responsible for the other seventies, which was an ordination in the Church and still is but these 70's were missionary minded members and they got rid of ordaining men to be these 70's in I think 1986. Today only men of the 8 quorums of the 70 are ordained as Seventies and set apart to a specific quorum and the first two Quorums of the Seventy are GA's.
cinepro Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) On 3/16/2016 at 9:45 AM, JLHPROF said: Thanks. I understand what happened with the Orsons. The question as pertains to this thread is why Lorenzo Snow is stated to have "changed" the succession practices for John Willard Young when based on my readings he didn't change anything and seemed to just repeat what Brigham did 25 years earlier: state that it was seniority in the Quorum, not seniority of ordination. So did Brigham make it seniority by ordination (as Orson Pratt was reordained, not sure about Orson Hyde)? And Lorenzo made it by quorum membership? Or did Brigham make it by quorum membership first? The gospel might be "simply wonderful and wonderfully simple", but the history of succession in the Church isn't. Edited March 17, 2016 by cinepro 1
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