Marital Status Of God

[The Nehor]

I refuse to answer polls without financial compensation. Stop trying to collect marketing data from me!

[Robert F. Smith]

10 hours ago, Zakuska said:

Praying to the Female "God" in the Bible.............................

the feminine form of ‘God.’ This one specific word, Eloah, literally means “Goddess.”

........................ They intentionally obscured the presence of the Divine Feminine.Even though some of the Hebrew words for God have a distinctly feminine gender, .....................................

The result is that most Christians and Jews have been mis-taught that God is exclusively male.

Elohim is a majestic, awesome Being that is beyond comprehension. Elohim is translated into English as ‘God.’ It is actually a gender-combined word, simultaneously representing both unity and majestic plurality.It is a compound of the feminine singular Eloah with the masculine plural suffix -im. Eloah is the feminine singular counterpart of El, which means God. Eloah is correctly translated as “Goddess.” ................................................

El Shaddai is another name of God used in the Bible. The word ‘shad’ means ‘woman’s breast,’ and ‘shaddai’ means ‘breasts,’ or ‘many breasts.’ .........................................................‘God with breasts’ or ‘[many] breasted [God].’ The name El Shaddai refers to the Goddess of Israel.

.................................................................. Elohim related to them primarily as the Goddess, El Shaddai.

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Ruach ha Kodesh is the Hebrew phrase that means ‘Holy Spirit.’ Ruach is feminine, and the Aramaic equivalent ruah is also a feminine noun. These words are always paired with feminine verbs and pronouns.The Holy Spirit is feminine, and is another designation of Eloah. In the original Aramaic texts, Messiah promised: “And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that She may dwell with you forever.” [John 14:16]

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The Bible makes numerous references to the Goddess. It instructs us to praise and worship Her; to offer prayer to Her. “I am one who calls on Goddess and expects an answer.” [Job 12:4]

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https://sahajapower.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/eloah-goddess-of-the-bible-you-will-pray-and-she-will-hear-%E2%80%9D/

David B. Clark is wrong on several counts, some of which I present here:

Hebrew ʼĕlôāh (Arabic ʼilah, Ugaritic and Old South Arabic ʼlh) simply means “god.”  It is not feminine.

Gregorio del Olmo Lete defines Ugaritic ilhm as "the ʼIlāhūma, divine beings," while Tess Dawson defines it as the sons and daughters of ʼAthiratu and Ilu = the Divine Assembly.  Both relate it directly to Hebrew ʼĕlōhîm.

God the Father?  Del Olmo Lete sees Ugaritic ilib as the “’father-god’ of family / personal / nomadic religion with its divinized ancestors, there is a shift to the ‘god / ʼIlu-father’, i.e., to the confession of the supreme god ʼIlu under the title of ‘universal father’ (‘father of gods and men’, as he is known in myth and epic).  To this ‘primitive’ epithet / title belong two other personal names of the supreme deity, culturally more exact but noetically more imprecise, il and dgn (1 + 2), forming a first tri-unity of epithets (cf. also KTU 1.123:1-3: il wilm…il…il šr).  Although the epithets might be distinct in the cult and in the prayers of the faithful, in myth and theology they correspond to the same god.”  Del Olmo Lete adds that “’My father’ is the god summoned by the faithful person who utters the incantation, . . .”  Ugaritic and other Canaanite texts clearly portray a very patriarchal culture in which the supreme deity is male.

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In northern Mesopotamia were the twin mounds of Tell Biʿa (Tell el-Thadyen “Ruin/Site-of-the-Two-Breasts”= Sumerian TUTTUL “Breasts”), at the confluence of the Balikh and Euphrates Rivers, which were probably identical to the Amorite place-name Shaddai “Two-Breasts” (so also in Aramaic inscriptions in this area made in the 7^th century B.C.), with the Amorite dual suffix.  Thus, when Abraham’s God refers to himself as ʾEl-Šadday, “God of Shaddai” (Gen 17:1), the reference is to the God of this particular city or city-state, thus localizing Abraham to this northern area.  Such geographical references are not unheard of even today:  Cf. the Grand Tetons.

Old Babylonian texts have it that the chief god of the Amorites was Bêl Šadê, which is identified with biblical ‘El Shaddai (Shaddai-ʿor, Shaddai-ʿammi, ʿAmmi-Shaddai) by Frank Moore Cross, Jr., and L. R. Bailey.   E. F. Campbell, Jr., Ruth, Anchor Bible 7 (Doubleday, 1975), 76-77, says that Shadday “seems to have had a special connection to judging, and to the conferring of deliverance or punishment, blessing or curse” (cf. Abraham 2:11, 3:14; Genesis 49:25, Numbers 24:4, 16, etc.).  There is no hint that this is a feminine name.

[consiglieri]

My personal belief is that God is married.

And She has at least one husband.

[KevinG]

15 hours ago, consiglieri said:

You also didn't offer the option that God was a homosexual on a prior planet who remained celibate and in the resurrection was made heterosexual and then got married.

 

I'm not saying you are a troll buy your posts sure are "chummy". 

[KevinG]

10 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I refuse to answer polls without financial compensation. Stop trying to collect marketing data from me!

Refuses to answer poll.  Check!  

[consiglieri]

26 minutes ago, KevinG said:

I'm not saying you are a troll buy your posts sure are "chummy". 

LOL!

You're going to need a bigger boat!

[stemelbow]

16 hours ago, consiglieri said:

You also didn't offer the option that God was a homosexual on a prior planet who remained celibate and in the resurrection was made heterosexual and then got married.

 

That was my favorite response. 

[Storm Rider]

17 hours ago, Thinking said:

I happened to again read the essay on Becoming Like God and wondered what many of the posters think about God's gender and marital status.

Hello Thinking,

I did not fill out the poll because I have never given any serious thought to the questions.  I suppose I can understand how this may gain importance when people are enthralled with some of today's topics - or topic.  However, for me I have been preoccupied with the more fundamental issues of repentance and seeking after being a servant to God.  

[consiglieri]

6 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

David B. Clark is wrong on several counts, some of which I present here:

 

Hebrew ʼĕlôāh (Arabic ʼilah, Ugaritic and Old South Arabic ʼlh) simply means “god.”  It is not feminine.

 

Gregorio del Olmo Lete defines Ugaritic ilhm as "the ʼIlāhūma, divine beings," while Tess Dawson defines it as the sons and daughters of ʼAthiratu and Ilu = the Divine Assembly.  Both relate it directly to Hebrew ʼĕlōhîm.

 

God the Father?  Del Olmo Lete sees Ugaritic ilib as the “’father-god’ of family / personal / nomadic religion with its divinized ancestors, there is a shift to the ‘god / ʼIlu-father’, i.e., to the confession of the supreme god ʼIlu under the title of ‘universal father’ (‘father of gods and men’, as he is known in myth and epic).  To this ‘primitive’ epithet / title belong two other personal names of the supreme deity, culturally more exact but noetically more imprecise, il and dgn (1 + 2), forming a first tri-unity of epithets (cf. also KTU 1.123:1-3: il wilm…il…il šr).  Although the epithets might be distinct in the cult and in the prayers of the faithful, in myth and theology they correspond to the same god.”  Del Olmo Lete adds that “’My father’ is the god summoned by the faithful person who utters the incantation, . . .”  Ugaritic and other Canaanite texts clearly portray a very patriarchal culture in which the supreme deity is male.

 

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In northern Mesopotamia were the twin mounds of Tell Biʿa (Tell el-Thadyen “Ruin/Site-of-the-Two-Breasts”= Sumerian TUTTUL “Breasts”), at the confluence of the Balikh and Euphrates Rivers, which were probably identical to the Amorite place-name Shaddai “Two-Breasts” (so also in Aramaic inscriptions in this area made in the 7^th century B.C.), with the Amorite dual suffix.  Thus, when Abraham’s God refers to himself as ʾEl-Šadday, “God of Shaddai” (Gen 17:1), the reference is to the God of this particular city or city-state, thus localizing Abraham to this northern area.  Such geographical references are not unheard of even today:  Cf. the Grand Tetons.

 

Old Babylonian texts have it that the chief god of the Amorites was Bêl Šadê, which is identified with biblical ‘El Shaddai (Shaddai-ʿor, Shaddai-ʿammi, ʿAmmi-Shaddai) by Frank Moore Cross, Jr., and L. R. Bailey.   E. F. Campbell, Jr., Ruth, Anchor Bible 7 (Doubleday, 1975), 76-77, says that Shadday “seems to have had a special connection to judging, and to the conferring of deliverance or punishment, blessing or curse” (cf. Abraham 2:11, 3:14; Genesis 49:25, Numbers 24:4, 16, etc.).  There is no hint that this is a feminine name.

 

Have I mentioned lately how refreshing it is to have someone of your erudition posting on the board, Robert?

[Walden]

16 hours ago, Russell C McGregor said:

And yet, all the while you assumed that Joseph Smith (mingling with gods he shall plan for his brethren) never ever practiced polygamy?

Uh, sure.

My argument had nothing to do with my assumptions; my argument was that I was never taught of Joseph Smith's polygamy while in the church for 24 years.

[Thinking]

14 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I refuse to answer polls without financial compensation. Stop trying to collect marketing data from me!

I promise to give you 50% of the gross revenue from the sale of the results of this poll.

[The Nehor]

20 minutes ago, Thinking said:

I promise to give you 50% of the gross revenue from the sale of the results of this poll.

How aggressive do you plan to be on selling it?

[Darren10]

21 hours ago, BlueDreams said:

The ultimate image of God, to me is a man and woman in complete union. So God is married and the image of God is male and female; Mother and Father. Ergo God can reference one or the other or both. I believe we tend to gender god as "he" because of tradition that is incomplete, male dominated, and severely reduced female influence and roles for millenia....as well as general custom. I also believe that ultimately we worship a divine family per se moreso than a triune male focused God. It would also be safe to assume that Heavenly Mother is something that I feel could use more restoring.

I don't know how many wives or husbands either has. My soul feeling is that they are equal numerically as they are in power, dominian, etc....So 1 and 1 each, since it is the divine rule where polygyny and at times polyandry were commanded exceptions.    

 

With luv,

BD

I don't know if I want to get into this per se but there really is little to no doctrine given to support what you declared. Yes, we know from restorative doctrines that Heavenly Father worked in the creation with a Heavenly Mother to create His children: male and female. Yes, the full restorative  understanding of "being God" via the doctrines of exaltation absolutely includes both male and female. ergo; "God" can properly be understood as both a male and a female working equally together. But that's really the end of our knowledge regarding God's gender and marital status so far as I know. This is particularly true when we guide our personal faith. We worship God as our Heavenly Father, through His Son and the Holy Ghost. I do not know of any restorative doctrines that even begin to include a Heavenly Mother into that worship. Nor am I aware of any evidence that the status of Heavenly mother was restricted among God's chosen covenant people; restrictions by which require a fuller restoration to purer or more complete truth. There is nothing that diminishes Heavenly Mother's importance and exaltation within the eternities. This includes not including Her into our prayers, worship, and hardly ever even being acknowledged. I fully believe that with her full "approbation" we can and will return to our Heavenly Father in full exalted glory through His grace and through our faithfulness to our covenants but beyond this reasonable conclusion, there's really not much else to make a solid conclusion regarding Heavenly Mother.

[Darren10]

11 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

David B. Clark is wrong on several counts, some of which I present here:

 

Hebrew ʼĕlôāh (Arabic ʼilah, Ugaritic and Old South Arabic ʼlh) simply means “god.”  It is not feminine.

 

Gregorio del Olmo Lete defines Ugaritic ilhm as "the ʼIlāhūma, divine beings," while Tess Dawson defines it as the sons and daughters of ʼAthiratu and Ilu = the Divine Assembly.  Both relate it directly to Hebrew ʼĕlōhîm.

 

God the Father?  Del Olmo Lete sees Ugaritic ilib as the “’father-god’ of family / personal / nomadic religion with its divinized ancestors, there is a shift to the ‘god / ʼIlu-father’, i.e., to the confession of the supreme god ʼIlu under the title of ‘universal father’ (‘father of gods and men’, as he is known in myth and epic).  To this ‘primitive’ epithet / title belong two other personal names of the supreme deity, culturally more exact but noetically more imprecise, il and dgn (1 + 2), forming a first tri-unity of epithets (cf. also KTU 1.123:1-3: il wilm…il…il šr).  Although the epithets might be distinct in the cult and in the prayers of the faithful, in myth and theology they correspond to the same god.”  Del Olmo Lete adds that “’My father’ is the god summoned by the faithful person who utters the incantation, . . .”  Ugaritic and other Canaanite texts clearly portray a very patriarchal culture in which the supreme deity is male.

 

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In northern Mesopotamia were the twin mounds of Tell Biʿa (Tell el-Thadyen “Ruin/Site-of-the-Two-Breasts”= Sumerian TUTTUL “Breasts”), at the confluence of the Balikh and Euphrates Rivers, which were probably identical to the Amorite place-name Shaddai “Two-Breasts” (so also in Aramaic inscriptions in this area made in the 7^th century B.C.), with the Amorite dual suffix.  Thus, when Abraham’s God refers to himself as ʾEl-Šadday, “God of Shaddai” (Gen 17:1), the reference is to the God of this particular city or city-state, thus localizing Abraham to this northern area.  Such geographical references are not unheard of even today:  Cf. the Grand Tetons.

 

Old Babylonian texts have it that the chief god of the Amorites was Bêl Šadê, which is identified with biblical ‘El Shaddai (Shaddai-ʿor, Shaddai-ʿammi, ʿAmmi-Shaddai) by Frank Moore Cross, Jr., and L. R. Bailey.   E. F. Campbell, Jr., Ruth, Anchor Bible 7 (Doubleday, 1975), 76-77, says that Shadday “seems to have had a special connection to judging, and to the conferring of deliverance or punishment, blessing or curse” (cf. Abraham 2:11, 3:14; Genesis 49:25, Numbers 24:4, 16, etc.).  There is no hint that this is a feminine name.

 

Absolutely superb!!!

[Thinking]

8 hours ago, The Nehor said:

How aggressive do you plan to be on selling it?

Well, I've been in contact with Donald Trump's people because he needs some more shock material. We'll see...

[The Nehor]

9 minutes ago, Thinking said:

Well, I've been in contact with Donald Trump's people because he needs some more shock material. We'll see...

Okay, I answered it and selected other.

God has 7 wives, 2 brother-husbands, and 3 concubines.