Russell C McGregor Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 That s just it. There is no difference..they are equal when the main ingredient is love. Love is not an ingredient in a cake. The issue in the minds of those who conscientiously object to being coerced into baking them, is not what's in the cake, but what happens at the event for which they are being asked to prepare it. And since they are being asked to prepare a bespoke item -- as opposed to an off-the-shelf item -- they are arguably being asked to participate in the event. Regards, Russell
Russell C McGregor Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 I used to occasionally bake a cake for my kids birthday party's(They're all grown up now with kids of their own. So I now bake the occasional birthday for the Grands). Believe me I'm no pastry chef. There was/is nothing requiring that I bake it or sell it. The baker/seller in your example has left the private sphere and is trying to impose his/her personal beliefs on others against their will. I do not understand this assertion. How is he/she "trying to impose his/her personal beliefs on others against their will?" What is s/he forcing them to do that they don't want to do? Regards, Russell
The Nehor Posted April 10, 2015 Author Posted April 10, 2015 Baking a cake for a gay wedding is no worse than selling alcohol for a frat party. I would not mind selling the cake. Attending a gay wedding is something different. Love is not an ingredient in a cake.The issue in the minds of those who conscientiously object to being coerced into baking them, is not what's in the cake, but what happens at the event for which they are being asked to prepare it.And since they are being asked to prepare a bespoke item -- as opposed to an off-the-shelf item -- they are arguably being asked to participate in the event.Regards,Russell Ahem.....unless those cakes are themselves gay they have no place in this thread.
The Nehor Posted April 10, 2015 Author Posted April 10, 2015 I like they idea of consolidating threads. I find it funny that we are left with Nehors thread that is only supposed to be about actual cakes and not a discussion on the law and politics of it all. At least my topic has not been done to death.
Gray Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Do gay cakes appreciate musical theater more than straight cakes?
The Nehor Posted April 10, 2015 Author Posted April 10, 2015 Do gay cakes appreciate musical theater more than straight cakes?I think baked goods are more interested in NASCAR.
thesometimesaint Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Baking a cake for a gay wedding is no worse than selling alcohol for a frat party. I would not mind selling the cake. Attending a gay wedding is something different. As the cake baker/seller if you offer the service to attend the wedding of a straight couple. Then yes, you can be required by law to attend the wedding of a gay couple.
The Nehor Posted April 10, 2015 Author Posted April 10, 2015 As the cake baker/seller if you offer the service to attend the wedding of a straight couple. Then yes, you can be required by law to attend the wedding of a gay couple.Unless gay cakes are involved start your own thread.
carbon dioxide Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 I want to open a Christian wedding cake store and cater specialty cakes and pastries to Christian weddings only. Is it lawful for me to do such? YESProbably not legal BUT you probably could decorate all the cakes you sell in such a way that only Christians would most likely buy them.
Storm Rider Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 I want to open a Christian wedding cake store and cater specialty cakes and pastries to Christian weddings only. Is it lawful for me to do such? YES There is no problem opening a Christian book store or a Christian cake store; what you don't get to do is create your own definition of what is and what is not a Christian. If someone wants to step up to buy your cake; you are selling it to them.
tonie Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 I want to open a Christian wedding cake store and cater specialty cakes and pastries to Christian weddings only. Is it lawful for me to do such? YES Can you demonstrate how is it lawful? I propose that if you are in Utah it is not lawful under Utah code 13-7-3 (as your practices could be deemed discrimination on religious grounds) and your establishment would be deemed a public nuasance under Utah code 13-7-4.
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