Animal Sacrifice Restored

[Robert F. Smith]

.........................................................................  

 

5. The last 3 paragraphs are about the LDS Church as Zion and her role in preparing the honest in heart throughout the world to meet the Bridegroom (which priesthood dedications and consecrations of lands are aimed at), with a particular blessing upon the Presidency of the Church and the quorum of the Twelve. The realization of the main point of entire prayer hinges upon the preservation of the Restored Church.

 

When I look at the prayer as a whole, it seems to ask the Lord's blessing upon the remnant /scattered Jews so they can gather and build a temple in concert with the latter-day Restored Church. The further on track we are for the coming of the Lord, the more integrated the chosen people will be able to fulfill those blessings as members of the Church (much like the Book of Mormon prayers and prophecies in behalf of the remnant of the seed of Joseph in building the New Jerusalem, according to the covenant Jehovah made with Jacob).

The center stake of Zion (LDS) covers Independence, Missouri, and nearby areas.  It is there that the New Jerusalem will be built, and the Great Temple erected..  Of course the Restored Church survives. Why would any of us think otherwise?  Without a parallactic view you are like the guy who can't imagine why Jesus might come to his other sheep in the New World, which we read about in III Nephi.  For you it appears to be either-or, while for some others it is both-and.

[Robert F. Smith]

I just read Orson Hyde's full dedicatory prayer, and all it says is that the Jews will build the Jerusalem temple. But without clarification, one way or the other, he doesn't stipulate whether or not these temple building Jews will simply be modern members of the Jewish faith or if they will be Jews who have converted to the LDS Church. This is very important because LDS Church leaders, including the Prophet Joseph Smith himself, have indicated that the Jews who will build the Jerusalem temple will be Jews by lineage, but in addition to that they will also be members of the LDS Church.   

Of course you are entitled to your supercessionist opinion.  The Jews will eventually become official Saints of the Last Days and part of the Kingdom of God Earth.  The way in which that happens, and the sequence of events is a matter of interpretation, and it is not as cut and dried as you assert.  We may both be very surprised.  As it stands now, however, the Jews are intent on building their own temple and having animal and other sacrifices there -- as anciently.  They are unlikely to listen to some goyim on that matter.

[Canadaigua]

Even here you admit that it is a false narrative.  You have one, single, solitary, lonely source and you falsely ascribe it to our "prophets have said".  And even though that one, single, solitary, lonely source provides no detail on the how or when, you falsely ascribe that it "with [sIC] occur again within the LDS church."

 

So, like I said, you just can't give up the OBVIOUSLY false narrative you have fabricated.

1.  "Even here you admit that it is a false narrative.  You have one, single, solitary, lonely source and you falsely ascribe it to our "prophets have said" 

 

You only have to look back in this thread and it proves that what you have said is false.

 

Post #106

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 172-173; History of the Church 4:210-212.

 

"Sacrifice to Be Part of Restoration

It will be necessary here to make a few observations on the doctrine set forth in the above quotation, and it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.

The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. We frequently have mention made of the offering of sacrifice by the servants of the Most High in ancient days, prior to the law of Moses; which ordinances will be continued when the Priesthood is restored with all its authority, power and blessings.…

All Ordinances Restored

These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass? It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses' day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.

It may be asked by some, what necessity for sacrifice, since the Great Sacrifice was offered? In answer to which, if repentance, baptism, and faith existed prior to the days of Christ, what necessity for them since that time? The Priesthood has descended in a regular line from father to son, through their succeeding generations. (See Book of Doctrine and Covenants.) (October 5, 1840.) HC 4:207-212."

 

 

Post #108

LDS.ORG—>Resources—>General—>Magazines and Manuals—>All Manuals—>Institute— >Doctrine and Covenants (Student Manual)—>Section 13—>D and C 13:1 

 

D&C 13:1. What Is Meant by the Sons of Levi Offering an Offering of Righteousness unto the Lord?

The Prophet Joseph Smith commented as follows on this scripture:

“It is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in the future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.

“The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. …

“These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass. It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses’ day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.” (Teachings, pp. 172–73.)

President Joseph Fielding Smith further explained that “we are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam’s transgression. Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored.

“The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 3:94.)

[Canadaigua]

You have one, single, solitary, lonely source and you falsely ascribe it to our "prophets have said". 

Here is another reference for you 

 

 History of the Church, 5:326 (Joseph Smith)

At the close of the meeting, we returned to Benjamin F. Johnson's, where we slept; and I remarked that the hundred and forty-four thousand sealed are the priests who should be anointed to administer in the daily sacrifice. 

[Bobbieaware]

Here is another reference for you

History of the Church, 5:326 (Joseph Smith)

At the close of the meeting, we returned to Benjamin F. Johnson's, where we slept; and I remarked that the hundred and forty-four thousand sealed are the priests who should be anointed to administer in the daily sacrifice.

I'm wondering if you are being intentionally obtuse or if you are just not listening? There is no mention of blood animal sacrifice that I can see in the above quote. You seem to have either missed or ignored the previously made point that present-day Mormonism is awash in sacred sacrificial rites.

For example, the ordinances of baptism, and the administration of the sacrament of the Lord's supper, are both sacred sacrificial rites that are pregnant with the symbolism of the atoning sacrifice of Christ; but while these priesthood ordinances reenact elements of the sacrificial death of Christ, there is no actual shedding of real blood. The sacred element of Christ's blood is symbolically present in these rites, but there is no actual blood present.

The above explanation of bloodless symbolic sacrifices also holds true for the sacred rites practiced in the LDS temples, but because of their highly sacred nature I cannot describe nor discuss them here; but I can assure you sacrificial rites, with a singular focus on the sacrifice of the Savior, are administered there as well. So to a knowledgable member of the LDS church, when B F Johnson speaks of LDS Melchizedek High Priests administering daily sacrificial rites. there is zero reason to believe the rites spoken of are to be blood animal sacrifices.

How can I be so confident that I''m correct on this point? The reason is that both within and without our temples we are taught, in no uncertain terms, the sacrificial death of Christ brought with it a full end of sacrifice by the shedding of blood, But understand that sacrifices are still offered up in our temples, but in these sacrificial rites there is no actuall shedding of blood.

Edited January 12, 2015 by Bobbieaware

[mfbukowski]

1.  "Even here you admit that it is a false narrative.  You have one, single, solitary, lonely source and you falsely ascribe it to our "prophets have said" 

 

You only have to look back in this thread and it proves that what you have said is false.

 

Post #106

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 172-173; History of the Church 4:210-212.

 

"Sacrifice to Be Part of Restoration

It will be necessary here to make a few observations on the doctrine set forth in the above quotation, and it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.

The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. We frequently have mention made of the offering of sacrifice by the servants of the Most High in ancient days, prior to the law of Moses; which ordinances will be continued when the Priesthood is restored with all its authority, power and blessings.…

All Ordinances Restored

These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass? It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses' day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.

It may be asked by some, what necessity for sacrifice, since the Great Sacrifice was offered? In answer to which, if repentance, baptism, and faith existed prior to the days of Christ, what necessity for them since that time? The Priesthood has descended in a regular line from father to son, through their succeeding generations. (See Book of Doctrine and Covenants.) (October 5, 1840.) HC 4:207-212."

 

 

Post #108

LDS.ORG—>Resources—>General—>Magazines and Manuals—>All Manuals—>Institute— >Doctrine and Covenants (Student Manual)—>Section 13—>D and C 13:1 

 

D&C 13:1. What Is Meant by the Sons of Levi Offering an Offering of Righteousness unto the Lord?

The Prophet Joseph Smith commented as follows on this scripture:

“It is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in the future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.

“The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. …

“These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass. It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses’ day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.” (Teachings, pp. 172–73.)

President Joseph Fielding Smith further explained that “we are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam’s transgression. Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored.

“The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 3:94.)

Oh my.  Not again.

[mfbukowski]

I'm wondering if you are being intentionally obtuse or if you are just not listening? There is no mention of blood animal sacrifice that I can see in the above quote. You seem to have either missed or ignored the previously made point that present-day Mormonism is awash in sacred sacrificial rites.

For example, the ordinances of baptism, and the administration of the sacrament of the Lord's suppe, are both sacred sacrificial rites that are pregnant with the symbolism of the atoning sacrifice of Christ; but while these priesthood ordinances reenact elements of the sacrificial death of Christ, there is no actual shedding of real blood. The sacred element of Christ's blood is symbolically present in these riotes, but there is no actual blood present.

The above explanation of bloodless symbolic sacrifices also holds true for the sacred rites practiced in the LDS temples, but because of their highly sacred nature I cannot describe nor discuss them; but I can assure you sacrificial rites with a singular focus on the sacrifice of the Savior are are administered there as well. So to a knowledgable member of the LDS church, when B F Johnson speaks of LDS Melchizedek High Priests administering daily sacrificial rites. there is zero reason to believe the rites spoken of are to be blood animal sacrifices.

How can I be so confident that I''m correct on this point? The reason is that both within and without our temples we are taught, in no uncertain terms, the sacrificial death of Christ brought with it a full end of sacrifice by the shedding of blood, But understand that sacrifices are still offered up in our temples, but in these sacrificial rites there is no actuall shedding of blood.

Thanks.

 

If he actually reads this maybe he will get it this time, but he has not gotten it all the times before, so I am skeptical.

[Vance]

1.  "Even here you admit that it is a false narrative.  You have one, single, solitary, lonely source and you falsely ascribe it to our "prophets have said" 

 

You only have to look back in this thread and it proves that what you have said is false.

 

Post #106

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 172-173; History of the Church 4:210-212.

 

"Sacrifice to Be Part of Restoration

It will be necessary here to make a few observations on the doctrine set forth in the above quotation, and it is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.

The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. We frequently have mention made of the offering of sacrifice by the servants of the Most High in ancient days, prior to the law of Moses; which ordinances will be continued when the Priesthood is restored with all its authority, power and blessings.…

All Ordinances Restored

These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass? It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses' day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.

It may be asked by some, what necessity for sacrifice, since the Great Sacrifice was offered? In answer to which, if repentance, baptism, and faith existed prior to the days of Christ, what necessity for them since that time? The Priesthood has descended in a regular line from father to son, through their succeeding generations. (See Book of Doctrine and Covenants.) (October 5, 1840.) HC 4:207-212."

 

 

Post #108

LDS.ORG—>Resources—>General—>Magazines and Manuals—>All Manuals—>Institute— >Doctrine and Covenants (Student Manual)—>Section 13—>D and C 13:1 

 

D&C 13:1. What Is Meant by the Sons of Levi Offering an Offering of Righteousness unto the Lord?

The Prophet Joseph Smith commented as follows on this scripture:

“It is generally supposed that sacrifice was entirely done away when the Great Sacrifice [i.e.,] the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus was offered up, and that there will be no necessity for the ordinance of sacrifice in the future; but those who assert this are certainly not acquainted with the duties, privileges and authority of the Priesthood, or with the Prophets.

“The offering of sacrifice has ever been connected and forms a part of the duties of the Priesthood. It began with the Priesthood, and will be continued until after the coming of Christ, from generation to generation. …

“These sacrifices, as well as every ordinance belonging to the Priesthood, will, when the Temple of the Lord shall be built, and the sons of Levi be purified, be fully restored and attended to in all their powers, ramifications, and blessings. This ever did and ever will exist when the powers of the Melchizedek Priesthood are sufficiently manifest; else how can the restitution of all things spoken of by the Holy Prophets be brought to pass. It is not to be understood that the law of Moses will be established again with all its rites and variety of ceremonies; this has never been spoken of by the prophets; but those things which existed prior to Moses’ day, namely, sacrifice, will be continued.” (Teachings, pp. 172–73.)

President Joseph Fielding Smith further explained that “we are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam’s transgression. Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored.

“The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 3:94.)

I did look back at the thread and I only found one, single, solitary, lonely source that mentions blood/animal sacrifice.

 

And even with this post you can only provide that one, single, solitary, lonely source.

 

So, again you have proven that your false narrative is false.

[Vance]

 

Here is another reference for you 

 

 History of the Church, 5:326 (Joseph Smith)

At the close of the meeting, we returned to Benjamin F. Johnson's, where we slept; and I remarked that the hundred and forty-four thousand sealed are the priests who should be anointed to administer in the daily sacrifice. 

 

Again, no mention of blood/animal sacrifice there.  But go ahead and just keep pushing your OBVIOUSLY false narrative.

 

But by doing so, it tells us more about your character and agenda than it does about any restoration of a supposed blood/animal sacrifice within the LDS Church.

[mfbukowski]

Again, no mention of blood/animal sacrifice there.  But go ahead and just keep pushing your OBVIOUSLY false narrative.

 

But by doing so, it tells us more about your character and agenda than it does about any restoration of a supposed blood/animal sacrifice within the LDS Church.

Priests ARE anointed daily to perform this task, daily.  Arguing with him is pointless.

Edited January 13, 2015 by mfbukowski

[intra]

You're only s'pose to eat the sacrifice if you're a priest!

interestingly, that's not at all true, and the truth of it glorifies the salvation of God: 

There shall no stranger eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing. 

But if the priest buy any soul with his money, he shall eat of it, and he that is born in his house: they shall eat of his meat.

(Leviticus 22:10-11) 

the slave of a priest can eat of the sacrifices. 

now - our high priest is Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:14, etc.) and we are purchased by His blood, belonging to Him, to become servants of Him:

For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

(1 Corinthians 6:20) 

And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; 

Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

(Colossians 3:23-24) 

so the redeemed of God do not break the law of Moses by eating of the sacrifice. 

Christ is not only my Priest, my Atonement and my Lord, but also my Sustenance! 

who is like Him? i lack nothing in Christ! 

 

[Robert F. Smith]

.................................................................................  

For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

(1 Corinthians 6:20) ......................................................................................

 

Or as Rob Lacey words it, "God's paid out well over the asking price and he owns the freehold.  So if you respect God, then respect yourself -- God's your long-term lodger."

Edited January 13, 2015 by Robert F. Smith

[Canadaigua]

Oh my.  Not again.

Vance obviously hasn't keep up with the thread.  He said "You have one, single, solitary, lonely source."  But anyone who has followed along knows that what he said was not true--except Vance of course--which is why I posted the quotes again for him.  

[Canadaigua]

Again, no mention of blood/animal sacrifice there.  But go ahead and just keep pushing your OBVIOUSLY false narrative.

 

But by doing so, it tells us more about your character and agenda than it does about any restoration of a supposed blood/animal sacrifice within the LDS Church.

Vance why deny what your own leaders have said?  You trust them don't you?

 

Here is another reference for you that speaks about animal sacrifice post Christ.

 

Page 75

". . . President Brigham Young discussed plans for a room in the Salt Lake Temple to be used

for animal sacrifices: "[speaking of the temple plan] Under the pulpit in the west end

[Aaronic priesthood end] will be a place to offer sacrifices. There will be an altar

prepared for that purpose so that when any sacrifices are to be offered, they should be

offered there." [Journal of Wilford Woodruff, December 18, 1857, Archives ] [Floor plan

drawings done during construction of the Salt Lake Temple do not indicate such a room.]. . ."  

http://boap.org/LDS/BOAP/SecondEd/Draft-copy/JS-Commentary-on-BOA-Text.pdf

Edited January 14, 2015 by Canadaigua

[Vance]

Vance obviously hasn't keep up with the thread.  He said "You have one, single, solitary, lonely source."  But anyone who has followed along knows that what he said was not true--except Vance of course--which is why I posted the quotes again for him.  

You obviously don't comprehend the limitations of your own posts.  Thus far you have provide only one, single, solitary, root source for the blood/animal sacrifice.

[Canadaigua]

You obviously don't comprehend the limitations of your own posts.  Thus far you have provide only one, single, solitary, root source for the blood/animal sacrifice.

Let's start with this one posted just above your post

 

Page 75

". . . President Brigham Young discussed plans for a room in the Salt Lake Temple to be used

for animal sacrifices: "[speaking of the temple plan] Under the pulpit in the west end

[Aaronic priesthood end] will be a place to offer sacrifices. There will be an altar

prepared for that purpose so that when any sacrifices are to be offered, they should be

offered there." [Journal of Wilford Woodruff, December 18, 1857, Archives ] [Floor plan

drawings done during construction of the Salt Lake Temple do not indicate such a room.]. . ."  

http://boap.org/LDS/...on-BOA-Text.pdf`

 

 

Did Brigham Young speak about animal sacrifices in the above quote?

[Vance]

Vance why deny what your own leaders have said?  You trust them don't you?

 

Here is another reference for you that speaks about animal sacrifice post Christ.

 

Page 75

". . . President Brigham Young discussed plans for a room in the Salt Lake Temple to be used

for animal sacrifices: "[speaking of the temple plan] Under the pulpit in the west end

[Aaronic priesthood end] will be a place to offer sacrifices. There will be an altar

prepared for that purpose so that when any sacrifices are to be offered, they should be

offered there." [Journal of Wilford Woodruff, December 18, 1857, Archives ] [Floor plan

drawings done during construction of the Salt Lake Temple do not indicate such a room.]. . ."  

http://boap.org/LDS/BOAP/SecondEd/Draft-copy/JS-Commentary-on-BOA-Text.pdf

So, you finally found a second mention of animal sacrifice which is a second hand, unofficial source at best.  Plus you missed a very important point.

 

What part of "[Floor plan

drawings done during construction of the Salt Lake Temple do not indicate such a room.]. . ."

 

Obviously, Brigham Young didn't feel strongly enough about the topic to move it beyond merely being "discussed", IF such discussion occurred at all.

 

What an epic fail.

Edited January 14, 2015 by Vance

[Canadaigua]

So, you finally found a second mention of animal sacrifice which is a second hand, unofficial source at best.  Plus you missed a very important point.

 

What part of "[Floor plan

drawings done during construction of the Salt Lake Temple do not indicate such a room.]. . ."

 

Obviously, Brigham Young didn't feel strongly enough about the topic to move it beyond merely being "discussed", IF such discussion occurred at all.

 

What an epic fail.

Before we move on--is that a yes or a no that Brigham Young spoke about animal sacrifice?

Edited January 14, 2015 by Canadaigua

[Vance]

Before we move on--is that a yes or a no that Brigham Young spoke about animal sacrificed?

It is a second hand source.  DUH!!  Kind of hearsay in a court of law.  Do you even have a clue about such things?  What part of "[Journal of Wilford Woodruff, December 18, 1857," don't you grasp?

Edited January 14, 2015 by Vance

[Canadaigua]

"President Joseph Fielding Smith further explained that “we are living in the dispensation of the fulness of times into which all things are to be gathered, and all things are to be restored since the beginning. Even this earth is to be restored to the condition which prevailed before Adam’s transgression. Now in the nature of things, the law of sacrifice will have to be restored, or all things which were decreed by the Lord would not be restored. It will be necessary, therefore, for the sons of Levi, who offered the blood sacrifices anciently in Israel, to offer such a sacrifice again to round out and complete this ordinance in this dispensation. Sacrifice by the shedding of blood was instituted in the days of Adam and of necessity will have to be restored.

“The sacrifice of animals will be done to complete the restoration when the temple spoken of is built; at the beginning of the millennium, or in the restoration, blood sacrifices will be performed long enough to complete the fulness of the restoration in this dispensation. Afterwards sacrifice will be of some other character.” (Doctrines of Salvation, 3:94.)"

https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-student-manual/sections-10-to-20/section-13-the-restoration-of-the-aaronic-priesthood?lang=eng

 

I will use the above reference which is section 13 of the D and C student manual and split out the quotes from that section because they are from difference sources.  

The above quote is from President Joseph Fielding Smith which you would agree speaks about animal sacrifice.

Was President Joseph Fielding Smith wrong in what he said above?  If so why would the LDS church include it in an official manual?

[Canadaigua]

It is a second hand source.  DUH!!  Kind of hearsay in a court of law.  Do you even have a clue about such things?  What part of "[Journal of Wilford Woodruff, December 18, 1857," don't you grasp?

So your position is that Wilford Woodruff is wrong?

[Vance]

The above quote is from President Joseph Fielding Smith which you would agree speaks about animal sacrifice.

It is from an unofficial source, so it is an expression of opinion until or unless it is canonized.  Which it wasn't.

 

Was President Joseph Fielding Smith wrong in what he said above?

It is his opinion, so he could be wrong.

 

If so why would the LDS church include it in an official manual?

Informational purposes.

[Vance]

So your position is that Wilford Woodruff is wrong?

No, only that in providing evidence, hearsay evidence it so weak that is not allowed in a court of law.  Note that no details of the discussion were provided nor the conclusion.  It is possible that the conclusion was that no such room would be needed because no such sacrifice was ever going to happen.

 

So, prove that that was not the conclusion of the discussion.

Edited January 14, 2015 by Vance

[Mars]

This thread is unreal.

[Canadaigua]

It is from an unofficial source, so it is an expression of opinion until or unless it is canonized.  Which it wasn't.

President Joseph Fielding Smith's quoter IS from an official source.  It is in an OFFICIAL LDS MANUAL.  So I hope that you are not going to try and claim that an official LDS manual is an unofficial source.

 

Now back to my questions.  

 

Was President Joseph Fielding Smith wrong in what he said above?  If so why would the LDS church include it in an official manual?