poptart Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 I've heard so much about how bad the LDS had it way back when, some say they diserved it, others say they really were hated on for no good reason. Someone mind sharing a bit on this?Also, how open were people to doing business with the Mormon faithful in Illonois and what not?
JLHPROF Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 I've heard so much about how bad the LDS had it way back when, some say they diserved it, others say they really were hated on for no good reason. Someone mind sharing a bit on this?Also, how open were people to doing business with the Mormon faithful in Illonois and what not? They had it pretty bad. They were chased from state to state, their leaders imprisoned, their property stolen.A state law was passed in Missouri saying that if they couldn't be driven from the state it was legal to "exterminate" them. That law didn't even get revoked until about 40 years ago. As for "deserving". People resented their religious differences, their prosperity, their work ethic and clean living (remember with Missouri and Illinois we were talking frontier lands - rough people), and even their political voting power. Basically, everything about the Mormons rubbed the locals the wrong way. The Mormons really DID nothing wrong, but they did occasionally say things that made the situations worse. But saying something that ticks off your neighbors is hardly cause for them to rape, pillage and murder your community. 3
cinepro Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) The Mormons really DID nothing wrong, but they did occasionally say things that made the situations worse. But saying something that ticks off your neighbors is hardly cause for them to rape, pillage and murder your community. Presentist. It happened all the time in the 1800s, so it must have been okay. Edited November 11, 2014 by cinepro 3
cinepro Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 I've heard so much about how bad the LDS had it way back when, some say they diserved it, others say they really were hated on for no good reason. Someone mind sharing a bit on this?Also, how open were people to doing business with the Mormon faithful in Illonois and what not? 1838 Mormon War Navuoo Hostilities The picture painted by JLHPROF might stand to be a little more nuanced (I'm not sure even the most starry-eyed LDS historian would frame it quite that way), but any way you slice it, the early Mormon settlers were subjected to amazing injustice and violence. I'm not sure what your second question means exactly, but Nauvoo was a well developed city on the Mississippi, and part of the problems with the local non-Mormon settlers stemmed from their jealousy towards Nauvoo's amazingly fast rise to prosperity and economic dominance in the region (it grew from being a swamp in 1839 to 12,000 people in 1845, almost as big as Chicago). So it was a major economic hub. 2
poptart Posted November 11, 2014 Author Posted November 11, 2014 They had it pretty bad. They were chased from state to state, their leaders imprisoned, their property stolen.A state law was passed in Missouri saying that if they couldn't be driven from the state it was legal to "exterminate" them. That law didn't even get revoked until about 40 years ago. As for "deserving". People resented their religious differences, their prosperity, their work ethic and clean living (remember with Missouri and Illinois we were talking frontier lands - rough people), and even their political voting power. Basically, everything about the Mormons rubbed the locals the wrong way. The Mormons really DID nothing wrong, but they did occasionally say things that made the situations worse. But saying something that ticks off your neighbors is hardly cause for them to rape, pillage and murder your community.Yeah, Americans have always been a violent people. Funny how they always play innocent when bad things happen to them but they rarely are willing to take a look in the mirror and realize they cause a lot of their own problems. 1838 Mormon War Navuoo Hostilities The picture painted by JLHPROF might stand to be a little more nuanced (I'm not sure even the most starry-eyed LDS historian would frame it quite that way), but any way you slice it, the early Mormon settlers were subjected to amazing injustice and violence. I'm not sure what your second question means exactly, but Nauvoo was a well developed city on the Mississippi, and part of the problems with the local non-Mormon settlers stemmed from their jealousy towards Nauvoo's amazingly fast rise to prosperity and economic dominance in the region (it grew from being a swamp in 1839 to 12,000 people in 1845, almost as big as Chicago). So it was a major economic hub.Interesting stuff, thanks. The second part was me curious if they treated the mormons here like prodestants and catholics were in some places during the religious wars in Europe. A lot of places would not do business with someone if they were prodestant or catholic, and quite often there was an insane amount of violence. What always amazes me is how people in this country seem to gloss over the relgious wars and religious freedom being one of the halmarks of the USA. Sounds like the LDS aren't that lax, good job!
JLHPROF Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Presentist. It happened all the time in the 1800s, so it must have been okay.
LinuxGal Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 The Mormons really DID nothing wrong, but they did occasionally say things that made the situations worse. But saying something that ticks off your neighbors is hardly cause for them to rape, pillage and murder your community. In Missourah yesterday a grand jury said they had no reason to indict a police officer for shooting a kid, and today there is much pillaging going on. So maybe it's just a Missourah thang.
Duncan Posted November 25, 2014 Posted November 25, 2014 In Missourah yesterday a grand jury said they had no reason to indict a police officer for shooting a kid, and today there is much pillaging going on. So maybe it's just a Missourah thang. funny you say that, because I have a former mission comp. from Independance and he said if anything 2nd Coming like hits the fan I have a place on his couch!! But anyhoo I was introducing him to the area and members and he said he was from "Missouree" and then I took him over to a older lady's place and she was from "Jawja" and she had a thick Southern Accent and he said he was from "Missourah" and I remember looking over at him like what?!!!!
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