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Where Did The Different Races And Ethnicities Come From?

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SmileyMcGee Proficient

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Marvin Perkins delivered an excellent talk at the recent Fairmormon Conference.

He argues convincingly that the color differences refer to spiritual qualities, not skin tone. The "skin of darkness" refers to scales over their spiritual eyes, like this:

Acts 9:17

Isaiah 44:18

Unfortunately the talk is still not available on their website

The Book of Jacob makes it clear that the difference between the Lamanites and Nephites was one of righteousness, not racial. Jacob 1

No disrespect to Marvin Perkins, but I find it difficult to argue that the BOM did not mean skin...unfortunately.

ERayR Grand Master

ERayR

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The problem with stupidity is that it breeds even more stupidity. The dark skin = disobedience theory is stupidity and it has bred stupidity. Believe what you want but keep your nonsense to yourself.

 

This is an internet board.  Why is someone elses nonsense any less welcome than yours or mine.

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Sevenbak Mentor

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Marvin Perkins delivered an excellent talk at the recent Fairmormon Conference.

 

He argues convincingly that the color differences refer to spiritual qualities, not skin tone.  The "skin of darkness" refers to scales over their spiritual eyes, like this:

Acts 9:17

Isaiah 44:18

Unfortunately the talk is still not available on their website

The Book of Jacob makes it clear that the difference between the Lamanites and Nephites was one of righteousness, not racial.  Jacob 1

Thanks.  I've read his and other's take on it, and don't agree that that's ALL it was, although that was part of it. I see it as a politically correct attempt to conform to today's standards. It's an interesting theory, but doesn't match the correlated teachings and manuals. The Church teaches that the mark was a result of disobedience and was placed upon them in order to keep them separate from God's people.  The curse was a separation from God.  Frankly, I don't know why people get so worked up about Nephi's scriptures.  This was under the law of Moses, long long before Paul had his vision of the clean and unclean, long long before the Gospel was sent to the Gentiles.   God's people were kept separate in many instances where God wanted a people wholly obedient and separate from other cultures.  This is no different.  The Lamanites rejected Him, so God rejected them, and placed a mark to keep them from mingling with his people.  Again, I don't see it as racist.  Those are modern sensibilities, but it was God's doing, long ago.  

 

Here's the correlated teaching from one of several manuals that address Nephi's words.

 

"Why was the mark of dark skin set upon the Lamanites?  This was a specific mark or sign of a specific set of circumstances.  Nephi explained, "that they [the Lamanites] might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them" (2 Nephi 5:21)  Alma gave a similar explanation:  "The skins of the Lamanites were dark... that thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions"  (Alma 3:6,8.) These explanations are consistent with other scriptural warnings that the people of the Lord should not marry unbelievers because the result of doing so was often that the righteous would turn away from the Lord. (see Deuteronomy 7:2-4; 1 Kings 11:4; 2 Corinthians 6:14; D&C 74:5)"

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Sevenbak Mentor

Sevenbak

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If you don't like being called a white supremacist then stop making comments that are. To believe that darker skin is the result of sin is to attribute a higher level of relative purity to white people. that is irrational and stupid. Having a mixed race family does not justify you in making asinine statements about skin color.

I also don't believe God to be a racist. I believe the racism found in the bible, BOM, and statements by modern prophets to be the projections of idiotic beliefs of men on to the character of god.

Save us your stupidity and keep your beliefs about skin color to yourself.

 

Tone it down and do not call anyone a white supremacist. ~mods

Smiley, I will refrain from responding to you further on this, as I have to go put on my white hood and chant racial slurs and take oaths with Nephi.  He's the leader of our gang of stupid pure blood brothers.    Please try not to slip under the Ark in your attempt to steady it.

Tiki Proficient

Tiki

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Yeah get with it. It wasn't the color of their skin. It was the shape of their Maya skulls.

Do really think Lehi wanted his daughters to marry dudes who had heads shaped like these?

:) i'm just a teasing ya!

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katherine the great Grand Master

katherine the great

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Yeah get with it. It wasn't the color of their skin. It was the shape of their Maya skulls.

Do really think Lehi wanted his daughters to marry dudes who had heads shaped like these?

 

If they were kind, intelligent and rich...maybe...

mbh26 Proficient

mbh26

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The Church teaches that the mark was a result of disobedience and was placed upon them in order to keep them separate from God's people.  The curse was a separation from God.

 

Just curious Mfbukowski.  You don't really believe people are black because God dramatically made a mark on a few of them one day.  I thought you always leaned to the idea of these being stories with a moral but not scientific truth.  Do you believe evolution, environment, natural selection, and chance created different races of people through a lot longer period than 7,000 years?  

mfbukowski Grand Master

mfbukowski

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Just curious Mfbukowski.  You don't really believe people are black because God dramatically made a mark on a few of them one day.  I thought you always leaned to the idea of these being stories with a moral but not scientific truth.  Do you believe evolution, environment, natural selection, and chance created different races of people through a lot longer period than 7,000 years?

Read more carefully. I never said that I believed in Marvin's view (which does not incidentally preclude evolution) OR Darwinian evolution. For me, all theories are temporary interpretations of social experience, some of which work better than others for particular purposes. I said it was a convincing interpretation if the BOM, which I think it is. You will find that I choose my words carefully and mean exactly what I say.

I do believe that scripture is neither historically nor scientifically accurate, and is not meant to be, but is for our spiritual and moral edification.

JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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I don't know what to believe.

 

Believe God and his words.  They're the only ones guaranteed not to lie or make a mistake.

 

All else is just someones best guess.

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thesometimesaint Grand Master

thesometimesaint

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Thanks.  I've read his and other's take on it, and don't agree that that's ALL it was, although that was part of it. I see it as a politically correct attempt to conform to today's standards. It's an interesting theory, but doesn't match the correlated teachings and manuals. The Church teaches that the mark was a result of disobedience and was placed upon them in order to keep them separate from God's people.  The curse was a separation from God.  Frankly, I don't know why people get so worked up about Nephi's scriptures.  This was under the law of Moses, long long before Paul had his vision of the clean and unclean, long long before the Gospel was sent to the Gentiles.   God's people were kept separate in many instances where God wanted a people wholly obedient and separate from other cultures.  This is no different.  The Lamanites rejected Him, so God rejected them, and placed a mark to keep them from mingling with his people.  Again, I don't see it as racist.  Those are modern sensibilities, but it was God's doing, long ago.  

 

Here's the correlated teaching from one of several manuals that address Nephi's words.

 

"Why was the mark of dark skin set upon the Lamanites?  This was a specific mark or sign of a specific set of circumstances.  Nephi explained, "that they [the Lamanites] might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them" (2 Nephi 5:21)  Alma gave a similar explanation:  "The skins of the Lamanites were dark... that thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions"  (Alma 3:6,8.) These explanations are consistent with other scriptural warnings that the people of the Lord should not marry unbelievers because the result of doing so was often that the righteous would turn away from the Lord. (see Deuteronomy 7:2-4; 1 Kings 11:4; 2 Corinthians 6:14; D&C 74:5)"

 

Except that within a few generations the Nephites were indistinguishable from the Lamanites by skin color. 

ERayR Grand Master

ERayR

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Except that within a few generations the Nephites were indistinguishable from the Lamanites by skin color. 

 

Would you mind referencing the information that leads you to this conclusion?  I just want to look at it.

ERayR Grand Master

ERayR

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Except that within a few generations the Nephites were indistinguishable from the Lamanites by skin color. 

 

I read Omni over twice and must be missing something as I can not where you are getting this.

thesometimesaint Grand Master

thesometimesaint

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There is no indication in Omni that there is any way to tell the difference between the two groups other than land of inheritance. There are a few more places where there are no more Nephite, Lamanites, Jacobites, or ites of any type.

ERayR Grand Master

ERayR

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There is no indication in Omni that there is any way to tell the difference between the two groups other than land of inheritance. There are a few more places where there are no more Nephite, Lamanites, Jacobites, or ites of any type.

 

I do not read this as being a physical likeness but as a philosophical unity.

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