pogi Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 "has become somewhat obsolete" I myself am somewhat obsolete. I seem to live in a different time If you lived in a different time, you would have been expected to be present at the ceremony wether you supported it or not. That was the whole point of this question - "Should anyone here present know of any reason that this couple should not be joined in holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace."
jaxenro Posted March 18, 2014 Author Posted March 18, 2014 "Are you the guy from Quantum Leap, dr who or the highlander?" Much prefer Highlander.
Bikeemikey Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 "Are you the guy from Quantum Leap, dr who or the highlander?"Much prefer Highlander.It's the sword right? Or is it the hair?
Ahab Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I like this:Question: I understand and agree with the Church’s stance on same-sex marriage. However, is it wrong to congratulate people or attend the wedding of a same-sex couple? Wouldn’t it be similar to going to a wedding of a different religion?While the Catholic Church teaches that marriage is reserved to one man and one woman, this doesn’t preclude Catholics from attending celebrations that aren’t Catholic sacramental weddings. Civil weddings don’t pass muster in the Catholic Church, nor do some unions celebrated in other religious communities. That’s not the point here. Mere presence at an event does not mean approval of everything that is taking place. If you were to take a poll of everyone gathered to celebrate any wedding, you would likely find a wide range of opinions, convictions, and experiences with respect to marriage. Some people in attendance might not even approve of the marriage being celebrated, or of marriage at all! But all the guests would probably express love and friendship for the couple and a desire to support them at an important time in their lives. If someone invites you to a gay wedding or to a wedding of a different religion — especially if that someone is a friend or relative of yours — don’t hesitate to go. You are called first and foremost to love that person and to honor the relationship you have with him or her. There is another time and place to discuss the teaching of the Church with respect to marriage. And if you are concerned about scandal, remember this: There’s a difference between a Catholic priest presiding at a gay wedding and you attending one.http://bustedhalo.com/questionbox/can-i-attend-a-gay-weddingAfter gay people get married to each other it's too late to tell them they shouldn't get married and then we would need to tell them that what they need to do is get a divorce, so if I were to talk to them either before or after I would still be trying to convey the same message. People shouldn't marry or be married to someone of the same sex.
Ahab Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 "Are you the guy from Quantum Leap, dr who or the highlander?"Much prefer Highlander. There can be only one.
jaxenro Posted March 18, 2014 Author Posted March 18, 2014 The sword. I spent about fifteen years fencing sabre. I used to have a business importing swords from India. I have tried singlestick. I also like Bowie's. At one time I collected Sheffield England made dirks from the 1840's to the 1920's and had a few hundred. As I got older I went more heavily into firearms but even now most of mine are pre 1870's style.
Bikeemikey Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 The sword. I spent about fifteen years fencing sabre. I used to have a business importing swords from India. I have tried singlestick. I also like Bowie's. At one time I collected Sheffield England made dirks from the 1840's to the 1920's and had a few hundred. As I got older I went more heavily into firearms but even now most of mine are pre 1870's style.I fenced foil and épée through high school. Sabre was to hard core!
pogi Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 After gay people get married to each other it's too late to tell them they shouldn't get married and then we would need to tell them that what they need to do is get a divorce, so if I were to talk to them either before or after I would still be trying to convey the same message. People shouldn't marry or be married to someone of the same sex. I obviously don't disagree with your message, I simply disagree with your approach.
jaxenro Posted March 18, 2014 Author Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) "And for the record, no, I would not attend the housewarming if he moved in with another woman WHILE he was married to my mom. I would however attend his funeral" The voice of wisdom do not move your girlfriend into your wifes house. "I fenced foil and épée through high school. Sabre was to hard core!" Foil and épée are too fiddly for me but I used to fence foil when there were no sabre fencers at the salle. Sabre is, as they say in the great race, a mans weapon. Nothing like a good sabre hit to the head to work out the days agressions Edited March 18, 2014 by jaxenro
Calm Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I fenced foil and épée through high school. Sabre was to hard core!I fenced a bit…but then my husband borrowed my foil for a tournament and broke it and has yet to replace it….and we are going on 35 years. Somethings he is very slow on getting the hint. Unfortunately I couldn't use it now if I wanted to, my glasses can't fit under my mask, too bad eyesight to go without and can't wear contacts. Sigh. Glove still fits though, lol.
Ahab Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I obviously don't disagree with your message, I simply disagree with your approach.So while there at the wedding of your gay child/relative/friend when and how would you make it known that you do not sanction that marriage? And if he or she still married someone of the same sex anyway, hoe long would you wait to advocate for a divorce?
pogi Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 I spent about fifteen years fencing sabre. I fenced foil and épée through high school. Sabre was to hard core! I fenced a bit… Three fencers in one thread? This is more like the twilight zone.Now, if there are any other banjo pickers on this thread, that would be doubly weird!
pogi Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) So while there at the wedding of your gay child/relative/friend when and how would you make it known that you do not sanction that marriage? And if he or she still married someone of the same sex anyway, hoe long would you wait to advocate for a divorce? I would make it known much before the wedding. If it was asked if any oppose the marriage, I already gave an example of what I would say. If I still want my son or friend to speak to me, I would wait for them to come to me before advocating for divorce. My feelings on the marriage would have already been made known, nobody likes a broken record. There is a difference between taking a stance and being a prick. I would recommend the book - how to win friends and influence people. Edited March 18, 2014 by pogi
Ahab Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) I would make it known much before the wedding. If it was asked if any oppose the marriage, I already gave an example of what I would say. If I still want my son or friend to speak to me, I would wait for them to come to me before advocating for divorce. My feelings on the marriage would have already been made known, nobody likes a broken record. There is a difference between taking a stance and being a prick.I would recommend the book - how to win friends and influence people.Your tactics would not have worked very well if your child/relative/friend still chose to marry someone of the same sex. Can I correctly conclude you would not look well pleased while you were there at that wedding watching that person essentially trampling your counsel under their feet? Or would you be smiling and acting as if everything was all okay with you? Edited March 18, 2014 by Ahab
pogi Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Your tactics would not have worked very well if your child/relative/friend still chose to marry someone of the same sex. I'm not sure if not showing up to the wedding would work any better. Can I correctly conclude you would not look well pleased while you were there at that wedding watching that person essentially trampling your counsel under their feet? Or would you be smiling and acting as if everything was all okay with you? My feelings would be conflicted for sure. I would probably feel the same way if I chose not to attend.
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