Stone holm Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 There are approximately 88,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.1 This makes excessive alcohol use the 3r d leading lifestyle-related cause of death for the nation.2 Excessive alcohol use is responsible for 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) annually, or an average of about 30 years of potential life lost for each death.1 In 2006, there were more than 1.2 million emergency room visits and 2.7 million physician office visits due to excessive drinking.3 The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion.3http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htmhttp://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/809516Obesity is associated with nearly 1 in 5 US deaths, according to a study published online August 15 in the American Journal of Public Health. The new data suggest obesity's toll on Americans is more than 3 times previous estimates.In research that counters previous studies of the effect of obesity on American life spans, Ryan K. Masters, PhD, a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Health and Society Scholar at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health in New York City, and colleagues report that overweight and obesity were associated with 18.2% of all deaths among adults from 1986 through 2006 in the United States. Previous estimates of the effect of obesity on mortality, published in Demography in 2009, established an obesity-related death rate of approximately 5%. What does the research say about number of deaths related to marijuana overdoses? 2
Bernard Gui Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 The first thing you loose when you use is your agency. 1
Stone holm Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 The first thing you loose when you use is your agency.Who gets it? 2
Danzo Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 American government researchers said that obesity is quickly overtaking smoking as the country's number one killer. In fact, obesity is becoming such a problem that many experts now say it is compromising all the benefits of recent improvements in health care and medical breakthroughs.According to the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) smoking in 2000 was the biggest cause of death - 435,000 people died. 18.1% of everyone who died in that year died of a smoking related disease.Obesity (bad diet and no exercise) was the cause of 400,000 deaths.129.6 Americans are overweight or obese. That is a staggering 64% of the population.If obesity continues to rise, by the year 2020, 20% of all health care spending will be on obesity related diseases and conditions. This is according to the Rand Corporation.http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/6438.php What do you think about this?http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-longer
mfbukowski Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Isn't one of the functions of fasting to alter our consciousness? Members of the Native American Church would also take issue with you on that explanation, as might certain Eastern Religions which practice the meditative arts. And what do we make of the long distance runners who become addicted to the high that can generate?You forgot those who are addicted to the spirit.Obviously I was not talking about practices which draw one closer to God If you think smoking pot draws you closer to God there is not much I can do about that. I guess if you are on a desert island with no pot you won't be able to pray. That's the problem with artificial substances and religious experience. Your own brain producing the chemical is a different matter. I survived the '60's.
mfbukowski Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 There are approximately 88,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.1 This makes excessive alcohol use the 3r d leading lifestyle-related cause of death for the nation.2 Excessive alcohol use is responsible for 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) annually, or an average of about 30 years of potential life lost for each death.1 In 2006, there were more than 1.2 million emergency room visits and 2.7 million physician office visits due to excessive drinking.3 The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion.3http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htmhttp://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/809516Obesity is associated with nearly 1 in 5 US deaths, according to a study published online August 15 in the American Journal of Public Health. The new data suggest obesity's toll on Americans is more than 3 times previous estimates.In research that counters previous studies of the effect of obesity on American life spans, Ryan K. Masters, PhD, a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Health and Society Scholar at Columbia University's Mailman School of Public Health in New York City, and colleagues report that overweight and obesity were associated with 18.2% of all deaths among adults from 1986 through 2006 in the United States. Previous estimates of the effect of obesity on mortality, published in Demography in 2009, established an obesity-related death rate of approximately 5%.Clearly in an LDS context especially, obesity is a far far worse problem than drunkenness.
mfbukowski Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 What does the research say about number of deaths related to marijuana overdoses?If you think pot is not psychologically addictive you are wrong. Coffee is psychologically addictive, and both are against the wow for the same reason.
Danzo Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Clearly in an LDS context especially, obesity is a far far worse problem than drunkenness. In the "LDS context", which keeps people from the temple?In the "LDS Contex" which one will prevent one from getting baptized? Edited January 21, 2014 by Danzo
Bernard Gui Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Obesity and obesity related deaths appears to be the number 1 killer in the US, smoking next and alcohol related deaths third.I don't know if the costs for obesity are based on the more advanced measuring system or not, but if the numbers I cite above are correct, alcohol is the more costly disease....perhaps because its results are often more immediate and severe....though to a smaller portion of the population. Obesity effects are also harder to measure due to being a complicated picture, I would like to know how they are measured as I think that number is likely low, not fully taking into account problems where obesity is not the primary cause.We need laws that ban obesity.
Bernard Gui Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 If you think pot is not psychologically addictive you are wrong. Coffee is psychologically addictive, and both are against the wow for the same reason.And nicotine is among the most addictive of drugs... http://www.news-medical.net/news/2004/05/21/1760.aspx 1
mfbukowski Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) In the "LDS context", which keeps people from the temple?In the "LDS Contex" which one will prevent one from getting baptized?Ok I give up. Everybody should gain 100 pounds for maximum health. It's pretty rare to find people in favor of obesity Edited January 21, 2014 by mfbukowski
Danzo Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Ok I give up. Everybody should gain 100 pounds for maximum health. It's pretty rare to find people in favor of obesity I wasn't saying obesity is ok, I was taking issue with your statement "Clearly in an LDS context especially, obesity is a far far worse problem than drunkenness." Which, to me, seems to twist LDS doctrine a bit. Also, I think that people use the word "Obese" a little too loosely. You have to be fairly obese before it becomes a "serious" medical issue. Too many youth especially think that they need to have an unrealistic airbrushed body, like the magazines show, when being underweight is a much more serious medical problem then being mildly obese. Edited January 21, 2014 by Danzo
Calm Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 What do you think about this?http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090625/study-overweight-people-live-longer"carry a little, not too much" is significantly different than "obese".I would love to see a study that breaks it down even further to see where the benefit is maximum. 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25 lbs
Calm Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 We need laws that ban obesity.Never claimed that.
Danzo Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) "carry a little, not too much" is significantly different than "obese".I would love to see a study that breaks it down even further to see where the benefit is maximum. 5, 10, 15, 20 or 25 lbs the article breaks it down pretty well according to BMI (I know BMI is crude, but its a good estimate) BMI 25-30 is the healthiest, followed by 30-34 as having no difference. Being underweight, however is the worst. Edited January 21, 2014 by Danzo
Calm Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 What does the research say about number of deaths related to marijuana overdoses?Unfortunately there are a lot more nonmedical or official stats sites cluttering the search, so harder to find reliable data.Here is one item that may interest you:http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-killThere is a suggestion in the article without details that long term use may lead to premature death, but no way to find out why it was concluded...or so it seemed to me.
Calm Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) the article breaks it down pretty well according to BMI (I know BMI is crude, but its a good estimate)BMI 25-30 is the healthiest, followed by 30-34 as having no difference. Being underweight, however is the worst.Again, I would be interested in seeing it tested to see where the most beneficial level for most people exist. Who knows, there may be a huge difference between carrying five lbs over what is currently defined as normal and carrying 25 lbs...or not.I think with the range so wide (most people I know see a huge difference in carrying 5 lbs or 25), this info is less helpful to people then it could be. With a more specfic, narrower range of 10 lbs or so, I think many people would be less worried about weight and avoid extreme diets that end up causing more problems than they solve and instead focus more on feeling good and having a sustainable lifestyle. Edited January 21, 2014 by calmoriah
Calm Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 PS: living longer doesn't necessarily translate to healthier. I would like to see a study that dealt with quality of life as well as quantity.It also says nothing about the causes...perhaps overweight people see the doctor more and thus have better medical care....which has nothing to do with weight itself.
Calm Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Clearly in an LDS context especially, obesity is a far far worse problem than drunkenness.And I would love to see data specifically for LDS, but the best so far is just Utah being identified as seventh lowest.Interestingly since I've seen many claim part of the problem is women having so many kids making it harder to drop weight or being so busy, men and women have the same rate.What is really shocking to me is it jumped from 9 to almost 25% in 25 years and it appears to still be going up, though much slower. Hopefully the trend will reverse soon.http://fasinfat.org/states/ut/Good news...well for Utah...kids are the lowest level in the nation, hopefully this carries through as they age reversing the trend.http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865584872/Fighting-obesity-Utah-7th-best-in-nation-kids-are-number-1.html?pg=all Edited January 21, 2014 by calmoriah
Danzo Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) Again, I would be interested in seeing it tested to see where the most beneficial level for most people exist. Who knows, there may be a huge difference between carrying five lbs over what is currently defined as normal and carrying 25 lbs...or not.I think with the range so wide (most people I know see a huge difference in carrying 5 lbs or 25), this info is less helpful to people then it could be. With a more specfic, narrower range of 10 lbs or so, I think many people would be less worried about weight and avoid extreme diets that end up causing more problems than they solve and instead focus more on feeling good and having a sustainable lifestyle. The number of pounds would be dependent on how tall, and what the body frame is. Obvious a gain of 10 pounds would make a bigger difference with someone who is five feet tall than someone who is 6 1/2 feet. The important thing is that people focus on being healthy, rather than a certain number of pounds. It is definitely unhealthy to stress out over not looking like an airbrushed model on a magazine cover. I remember on my mission in Milan Italy, you could see a lot of models on at the McDonald's (I guess they missed american fast food). What would always strike me is that their legs would usually be covered with bruises, a sign of malnourishment. Edited January 21, 2014 by Danzo
Calm Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 You are right.If the scales that measure percent of body fat are accurate enough, that would probably be the best among the easily accessible stats to use.Totally agree health should be the focus.
Stone holm Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 Unfortunately there are a lot more nonmedical or official stats sites cluttering the search, so harder to find reliable data.Here is one item that may interest you:http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-killThere is a suggestion in the article without details that long term use may lead to premature death, but no way to find out why it was concluded...or so it seemed to me. Which would be a great argument for making Big Macs illegal.
mfbukowski Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I wasn't saying obesity is ok, I was taking issue with your statement "Clearly in an LDS context especially, obesity is a far far worse problem than drunkenness." Which, to me, seems to twist LDS doctrine a bit.Ok you are right again. Clearly we have a lot more drunken LDS than we have obese LDS. Edited January 22, 2014 by mfbukowski
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