New Book Of Mormon Documentary Trailer

[Nemesis]

It is interesting that among the videos produced by the Joseph Smith foundation is one attacking evolution. Also a huge number by Ezra Taft Benson. I wonder what Benson would have thought of the Martin Luther King holiday.

This is race baiting we don't allow that.

Nemesis

[Stroopwafel]

 

Stroopwafel, on 08 Nov 2013 - 4:42 PM, said:

While the Founding Fathers were doubtless inspired by God in their tremendous work, which went beyond their own understanding of the ultimate consequences (in which, for example, slaves would one day be free under that very Constitution), that does not mean that our constitutional democracy is God's only approved form of government.  To suggest that is to ignore the Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrine & Covenants, and the various forms of government urged as well as tolerated by God, who deals with men on their terms and in their weakness.  You might make a start by examining the various forms of government under Moses, Samuel, David, Nephi, Benjamin, Alma, Jesus Christ, Jared, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, along with specific counsel given in D&C 134 and Article of Faith #12. Furthermore, Paul tells us in Romans 13:1 that "the powers that be are ordained of God," i.e., no ruler or rulers of any sort function without the suffrance of God.  According to Paul and our own LDS Scripture, we are duty-bound to obey the laws of the land in which we live -- the majority of Mormons do not live in the USA and do not speak English.  Ours is a worldwide Church.

 

One might want to remember also that the Founding Fathers of the United States of America were traitors to King and Country.  Many were slaveholders.  Some of the most prominent among them were Deists.  We need to understand them as they in fact were, not as we might want them to have been.

 

An excellent discussion of God's view of government is provided by Valerie Hudson in Dennis Largey, ed., Book of Mormon Reference Companion (Deseret Book, 2003), 302-305.  Professor Hudson holds the George H. W. Bush Chair in government at Texas A&M University, and is regarded as one of the most influential thinkers in the world.

 

 

Thank you!

Edited November 10, 2013 by Stroopwafel

[JeremyOrbe-Smith]

The irony here is that I think a truly secular government gives the best chance for genuine religious communities to flourish. I especially like the verse in Section 134 that says: "We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied." The reason being that if there is a state-sponsored Approved Religion, then there is no space left for authorized disbelief - in which case, if everyone is forced to believe, are there really any true believers? We shouldn't want America to be a "Christian" nation; we should be good Christians living in the melting-pot of a radically free America. 

Or, you know, we could just watch Serenity again. 

 

[teddyaware]

The irony here is that I think a truly secular government gives the best chance for genuine religious communities to flourish.

 

I agree. That's why Zion and the New Jerusalem are going to flourish without any material help from the government. All that's needed is the freedom under the Constitution to establish and build Zion without governmental hindrance.  

[EllenMaksoud]

Sure to excite and inspire some, sure to distress and raise the hackles of others: For your consideration, I post the following link to the official movie trailer of "For Our Day: Covenant on the Land," a new documentary on the connection of ancient Israel, the Book of Mormon, and the founding of the United States of America as a covenant land of the Lord.

 

http://youtu.be/S4Gkq57IcDk

Not being a papered Historian, I don't know where this film will go and I hope that it does not move people to angry, hateful talk. Our declaration of Independence includes reference to our Creator and God, but lately I have seen stories from those who claim to be historians that show our founding fathers to  be anything but Christians.  Are these folk laying the foundation for a "Hunger Games" future? All too much I see people who claim to be Christian, even Mormon engaging in half truths and hate on the internet, particularly Facebook.

 

There is a new breed of Missionary coming on line whose purpose is to work the internet for Missionary opportunities. My Stake president reminded me that one of the talks at the last conference alluded to the idea of a greater presence of the church on media. I am just hoping that the thrust of this film is done in the usual loving and informative manner of the LDS church, if it is indeed a Mormon film

[EllenMaksoud]

Sure to excite and inspire some, sure to distress and raise the hackles of others: For your consideration, I post the following link to the official movie trailer of "For Our Day: Covenant on the Land," a new documentary on the connection of ancient Israel, the Book of Mormon, and the founding of the United States of America as a covenant land of the Lord.

 

http://youtu.be/S4Gkq57IcDk

OH, wait,  "The Joseph Smith Foundation" is not an official Mormon site or organization. 

[teddyaware]

OH, wait,  "The Joseph Smith Foundation" is not an official Mormon site or organization. 

 

Hi Ellen, That's why I said this film's trailer would inspire some and distress others. The makers of this film have a decidedly Ezra Taft Benson like take on the Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and the role of the United States in the last days. President Benson was and still is a polarizing figure in the world and even in the Church. It will be very interesting to see if he was correct in making all his dire predictions and warnings about America being subjected to a modern-day, Book of Mormon style secret combination set up to destroy liberty and the Constitution. 

[EllenMaksoud]

Hi Ellen, That's why I said this film's trailer would inspire some and distress others. The makers of this film have a decidedly Ezra Taft Benson like take on the Declaration of Independence, U.S. Constitution, and the role of the United States in the last days. President Benson was and still is a polarizing figure in the world and even in the Church. It will be very interesting to see if he was correct in making all his dire predictions and warnings about America being subjected to a modern-day, Book of Mormon style secret combination set up to destroy liberty and the Constitution. 

It is fairly easy to find places in our culture where reference to God is being erased. I did verify the documentation about reference to God being erased on the Cap Stone of the Washington Monument. And in my own life time I saw "In God" used, deleted, and then perhaps restored in the Pledge of Allegiance.

 

I just have issue with the strident, alarming tone of the trailer, and perhaps I will have issue with the film also.  There are far too many alarmists running around insighting people not to decent action but to violence. It is common on FB and fortunately when I have mentioned that to friends that engage in it they have repented or they have been unfriended.

 

So, what is the solution?  There is that element of Muslims which seek to institute Sharia law in the world, but as long as they are relatively violent in their outreach, I doubt they have much chance. I think the biggest enemy of America and most of the Western world is hedonistic apathy.  We don't need enemies, we are the enemy. It is the pride cycle as is seen in the Book of Mormon. Will we fall to it?

[teddyaware]

It is fairly easy to find places in our culture where reference to God is being erased. I did verify the documentation about reference to God being erased on the Cap Stone of the Washington Monument. And in my own life time I saw "In God" used, deleted, and then perhaps restored in the Pledge of Allegiance.

 

I just have issue with the strident, alarming tone of the trailer, and perhaps I will have issue with the film also.  There are far too many alarmists running around insighting people not to decent action but to violence. It is common on FB and fortunately when I have mentioned that to friends that engage in it they have repented or they have been unfriended.

 

So, what is the solution?  There is that element of Muslims which seek to institute Sharia law in the world, but as long as they are relatively violent in their outreach, I doubt they have much chance. I think the biggest enemy of America and most of the Western world is hedonistic apathy.  We don't need enemies, we are the enemy. It is the pride cycle as is seen in the Book of Mormon. Will we fall to it?

 

There are many scriptural instances when prophets warned the people they were oblivious to the fact that they were in mortal peril of total ruination, and this because they were blind to their own wickedness and unaware of the conspiratorial wickedness of secret combinations that proliferated all around them. Time and time again these prophets, who raised the voice of warning, were belittled as delusional alarmists. They were said to have been possessed by the devil, and in their own distorted minds this false perception justified these spiritually unaware and spiritually dead people to murder the prophets whom they were so convinced were nothing but spiritual quacks. And remember, just because some of the people who seem to be raising the voice of warning to the lethal dangers around us today actually are uninspired and off base doesn't mean that every voice of warning heard today is unauthentic, misinformed and inacurate.

 

Speaking to our day and time, Moroni raised the following dire voice warning. The very important portion of the Book of Mormon I'm quoting is somewhat long, but I kindly ask you to please take the time to read each verse carefully and let me know if you think the Prophet Moroni is acting like one of the alarmists of which you speak? And also realize that this prophecy is speaking of a great worldwide evil that will exist in the latter days.

 

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.

21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved. (Ether

Edited November 11, 2013 by teddyaware

[EllenMaksoud]

There are many scriptural instances when prophets warned the people they were oblivious to the fact that they were in mortal peril of total ruination, and this because they were blind to their own wickedness and unaware of the conspiratorial wickedness of secret combinations that proliferated all around them. Time and time again these prophets, who raised the voice of warning, were belittled as delusional alarmists. They were said to have been possessed by the devil, and in their own distorted minds this false perception justified these spiritually unaware and spiritually dead people to murder the prophets whom they were so convinced were nothing but spiritual quacks. And remember, just because some of the people who seem to be raising the voice of warning to the lethal dangers around us today actually are uninspired and off base doesn't mean that every voice of warning heard today is unauthentic, misinformed and inacurate.

 

Speaking to our day and time, Moroni raised the following dire voice warning. The very important portion of the Book of Mormon I'm quoting is somewhat long, but I kindly ask you to please take the time to read each verse carefully and let me know if you think the Prophet Moroni is acting like one of the alarmists of which you speak? And also realize that this prophecy is speaking of a great worldwide evil that will exist in the latter days.

 

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.

21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved. (Ether

Um, are you taking your meds?   

 

I am to do Heavenly Father's will, and Jesus the Christ said I am not to worry. Matt 6:26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

[EllenMaksoud]

There are many scriptural instances when prophets warned the people they were oblivious to the fact that they were in mortal peril of total ruination, and this because they were blind to their own wickedness and unaware of the conspiratorial wickedness of secret combinations that proliferated all around them. Time and time again these prophets, who raised the voice of warning, were belittled as delusional alarmists. They were said to have been possessed by the devil, and in their own distorted minds this false perception justified these spiritually unaware and spiritually dead people to murder the prophets whom they were so convinced were nothing but spiritual quacks. And remember, just because some of the people who seem to be raising the voice of warning to the lethal dangers around us today actually are uninspired and off base doesn't mean that every voice of warning heard today is unauthentic, misinformed and inacurate.

 

Speaking to our day and time, Moroni raised the following dire voice warning. The very important portion of the Book of Mormon I'm quoting is somewhat long, but I kindly ask you to please take the time to read each verse carefully and let me know if you think the Prophet Moroni is acting like one of the alarmists of which you speak? And also realize that this prophecy is speaking of a great worldwide evil that will exist in the latter days.

 

20 And now I, Moroni, do not write the manner of their oaths and combinations, for it hath been made known unto me that they are had among all people, and they are had among the Lamanites.

21 And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking, and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved. (Ether

I was going to PM you to keep this private, but you chose not to receive PM's.  You really don't want to talk to me. You really have no idea what fear and stress is. Leave me alone, and I will not tell you what I really think.

[teddyaware]

I was going to PM you to keep this private, but you chose not to receive PM's.  You really don't want to talk to me. You really have no idea what fear and stress is. Leave me alone, and I will not tell you what I really think.

I'm kind of a knucklehead when it come to a lot of "computer stuff" and I didn't realize I'm not set up on this board to receive private messages, until you just told me. I've received private messages in the past, so I'm wondering what I or someone else might have done to alter my ability to receive private messages on this board. I'll see if there's some way to fix the problem. It looks like you jumped to conclusions about me. But I don't mind; that happens all the time on this board.

[teddyaware]

Um, are you taking your meds?   

 

I am to do Heavenly Father's will, and Jesus the Christ said I am not to worry. Matt 6:26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

 

What you just wrote totally ignores Moroni's warning that we should "awake to a sense of our awful situation" and raise the voice of warning in these last days. It appears likely that it was Moroni's words, not mine, that got you so worked up. I wonder if he was "off his meds" when he wrote those words of warning to we latter-day Gentiles. Negative emotions cloud judgment.

[Anne E. Prufe]

It always baffles me when the American republic and its constitution are trumped as if they almost were hand-given by God Almighty himself. I don't deny there may be some inspiration in what the Founding Fathers were doing, but the tendency some have of emphasizing a supposed biblical influence on their work, while these were certainly pious and religious folks, is to turn a blind eye on the fact that these men were products of a classical education, and that this definitly transpires in what they did, and still does today. One would get a much better (and I might truer and less ideological) grasp of the United States of America and its constituents by looking at Ancient Rome rather than Ancient Israel.

 

You obviously have not seen the film as it debunks the idea that the Constitution or the founding fathers were the product of the "Enlightenment" but rather came from the Reformation/Bible and from revelation/inspiration.  At the recent Book of Mormon evidence conference, the Joseph Smith Foundation announced they are currently producing another documentary that will further refute the false notion that the Constitution came from Rome, Greece and the Enlightenment.

[Anne E. Prufe]

What is so sad is that the makers of this short video (the Joseph Smith Foundation) clearly began their project with an apriori and false notion about what American history is generally, and about what the U.S. Constitution is specifically.  They then set out to selectively verify those self-contradictory notions, missing the whole point of the American story, which is far more interesting and inspiring.  And true.

 

What I would like to see is actual study of our Constitution in our elementary and secondary schools (beginning in the 6th grade).  I didn't study it intensively until college, first in an introductory course on government, and then in a course devoted solely to Constitutional Law.  Later, in my career, I was concerned with the application of specific rules derived from the Bill of Rights.

 

I was both surprised at the true nature of that Constitution, and proud of it -- and proud of our Founding Fathers.  We have good reason to think them inspired by God.  But not for the silly partisan reasons enunciated in the video, but because it is a bulwark of protection of our freedoms.  I wish they had made a video which demonstrated how that works in real life and how it was so brilliantly engineered.

 

Short video?  Evidently, you have not seen the film either.  This is a full length feature documentary running at over 90 minutes.  

[Anne E. Prufe]

I agree. We truly live in scary times. But we can rejoice because He who knows the end from the beginning knows His side will win the day, for Christ already won the decisive battle of this great war when He cried our from the cross, "It Is Finished!"

 

One thing about the documentaries For Our Day: Covenant on the Land and For Our Day: Divinely Sanctioned Governments is that they point out and give irrefutable evidence in my opinion that Mormon knew the entire Book of Mormon history and knew our entire latter day history and through revelation was able to foreshadow every significant latter-day event in the Book of Mormon.

[Anne E. Prufe]

Condemning the intellect is not an auspicious beginning for someone who claims to have an open mind. God probably gave us brains for a reason, and then set us out on our own. He has urged us to exercise faith and learning in coming to knowledge about all manner of things (D&C 88:118-119). Yet you reject His commandment. Why?

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it is wrong. What they are not entitled to is to run roughshod over the facts. I would suggest studying the matter in a serious way before jumping to conclusions.

 

Have you ever read the book Prophecies and Promises?  It carefully deconstructs the notion that the Book of Mormon occurred in Mesoamerica using the prophecies and promises in the Book of Mormon itself.  

[Anne E. Prufe]

 

According to Paul and our own LDS Scripture, we are duty-bound to obey the laws of the land in which we live -- the majority of Mormons do not live in the USA and do not speak English.  Ours is a worldwide Church.

 

 

You may want to look at the scripture more closely.  D&C 134:5 states, "We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments;" We don't sustain every government.  We support governments which protect our inalienable rights.  The Lord has never commanded us to uphold despotic governments. 

 

Additionally, the Constitution was not meant only for those who live in the United States of America.  D&C 101:77 informs us that the Lord inspired the Constitution to go forth throughout the world.  "According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;"  Again, you really ought to see the documentary.  It will help clear up many mistaken ideas that you have.

[teddyaware]

Condemning the intellect is not an auspicious beginning for someone who claims to have an open mind. God probably gave us brains for a reason, and then set us out on our own. He has urged us to exercise faith and learning in coming to knowledge about all manner of things (D&C 88:118-119). Yet you reject His commandment. Why?

 

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it is wrong. What they are not entitled to is to run roughshod over the facts. I would suggest studying the matter in a serious way before jumping to conclusions.

 

I'm not about to ask the following question to be snarky: I'd like to know where in the post, you here commented upon, was I "condemning the intellect. I only ask this of you because I now folks are often misunderstood and misinterpreted on boards like this one, so I wanted to see where in my language I may have appeared to convey the idea that I condemn the intellect, as I can't see where in my writing you may have gotten that notion.

 

As to your saying I'm jumping to conclusions, I believe I said I have an open mind on the subject of the whereabouts of the Nephite civilization. So I have a second question: Where in my post did I jump to conclusions? I would much appreciate your input because you are an intelligent fellow and I'm trying to learn how to make my language more precise and less apt to be misinterpreted. 

 

All the best...   

[teddyaware]

You may want to look at the scripture more closely.  D&C 134:5 states, "We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments;" We don't sustain every government.  We support governments which protect our inalienable rights.  The Lord has never commanded us to uphold despotic governments. 

 

Additionally, the Constitution was not meant only for those who live in the United States of America.  D&C 101:77 informs us that the Lord inspired the Constitution to go forth throughout the world.  "According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;"  Again, you really ought to see the documentary.  It will help clear up many mistaken ideas that you have.

Welcome! Your presence here is much appreciated! Just thinking out loud, but I wonder why knowledgeable and  committed Latter-day Saints seem to find the ideas expressed in these documentaries distasteful. As for me, I just love these concepts because they powerfully demonstrate God is much more involved in human affairs than some may suppose. It's so inspiring to realize the pilgrims and the Founding Fathers understood their quest as a latter-day continuation of the ancient theme of the children of God being led to a new promised land of freedom, and, astonishingly, that's exactly what the Book of Mormon prophesied.  

Edited November 12, 2013 by teddyaware

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

 

 

What I would like to see is actual study of our Constitution in our elementary and secondary schools (beginning in the 6th grade).  I didn't study it intensively until college, first in an introductory course on government, and then in a course devoted solely to Constitutional Law.  Later, in my career, I was concerned with the application of specific rules derived from the Bill of Rights.

 

Well that will never happen. You know who runs the schools in most parts of the country? Lol. And I guess if kids did study it, would they get the negative slant of the progressives. That the Bill of Rights is a charter of negative liberties? I digress, carry on.

[volgadon]

You obviously have not seen the film as it debunks the idea that the Constitution or the founding fathers were the product of the "Enlightenment" but rather came from the Reformation/Bible and from revelation/inspiration.  At the recent Book of Mormon evidence conference, the Joseph Smith Foundation announced they are currently producing another documentary that will further refute the false notion that the Constitution came from Rome, Greece and the Enlightenment.

 

Do you address the evidence compiled by Eran Shalev?

 

http://books.google.com/books?id=HURc5IFqhWgC&dq=rome+reborn+on+western+shores&source=gbs_navlinks_s

[cdowis]

You may want to look at the scripture more closely.  D&C 134:5 states, "We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments;" We don't sustain every government.  We support governments which protect our inalienable rights.  The Lord has never commanded us to uphold despotic governments. 

 

Additionally, the Constitution was not meant only for those who live in the United States of America.  D&C 101:77 informs us that the Lord inspired the Constitution to go forth throughout the world.  "According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;"  Again, you really ought to see the documentary.  It will help clear up many mistaken ideas that you have.

 

I think the position of the Church is to obey (support) the laws of all governments as much as possible.  The alternative is anarchy, which is a worse situation than even a despotism.

 

This policy was clearly followed, for example, in Nazi Germany.

[teddyaware]

I think the position of the Church is to obey (support) the laws of all governments as much as possible.  The alternative is anarchy, which is a worse situation than even a despotism.

 

This policy was clearly followed, for example, in Nazi Germany.

 

I would think in the case of a country like Fascist Germany, or any other unjust totalitarian regime, the saints would not be expected to "support" such an egregiously wicked government. Rather, they would be called upon to endure in the faith of Christ to the end, persevering in righteousness and hope so as to cause the light of God to shine in the midst of a very bad situation.   

[Robert F. Smith]

Well that will never happen. You know who runs the schools in most parts of the country? Lol. And I guess if kids did study it, would they get the negative slant of the progressives. That the Bill of Rights is a charter of negative liberties? I digress, carry on.

You are undoubtedly right about the prospects for the teaching of the Constitution in our schools, but for the wrong reasons.  The extreme left and extreme right will not tolerate the actual reading and study of the Constitution   They each consider it subversive literature, much in the same way that C. S. Lewis considered Christian literature to be subversive of atheism.

 

It isn't that either side will give a particular slant, but rather that each perceives great danger in people actually knowing what their national charter says.  Like you, they imagine that it will be interpreted only negatively.  Best not to allow it to be discussed at all.  The young may actually come to believe in it, and we wouldn't want that, would we??