Catholic Question

[Yirgacheffe]

The other thing that will get you banned is if you defend the nonsense passed off as LDS doctrine that is erroneous. As someone that has a high affinity for Catholicism, I was banned for what I thought was censorship. If you demonstrate the weakness of the argument you will be banned. May e things have changed, but I strongly doubt it. I have not visited in several weeks, but I have several years of participation. I am limiting my comments to the non-Catholic thread.

I spent some time looking through of all the areas, I can't say I read a lot of it, there are millions of posts there.  Over all most posts have nothing to do with the LDS church, it mostly seems like Catholics talking about their practices.  Like I said even in the non-Catholic area there isn't much about the LDS church, at least no more threads about them than others like Lutherans and Orthodox.  I don't know how many over there were banned or why, but there have been many here I've watched get banned or bounced out of threads for reasons I couldn't understand.  I don't see why any board should be given grief over banning people they feel shouldn't be posting for what ever reason they want, pretty much like how I'm entitled to ban anyone I want for any reason from my home.

 

 

On another note the way I read this sentence was the opposite of what I think you meant, but then I'm often confused.

"The other thing that will get you banned is if you defend the nonsense passed off as LDS doctrine that is erroneous."

The way I read this was you will be banned for defending erroneous nonsense passed off as LDS doctrine. 

[Bart Burk]

I was banned from Catholic Answers for criticizing the Vatican's call for a world reserve bank.

[3DOP]

I was banned from Catholic Answers for criticizing the Vatican's call for a world reserve bank.

 

That's a new one. I never even heard of that.

 

Hi 3DOP, I agree with a lot you say about Catholic Answers. I have cringed so many times when reading through some of the posts relating to LDS. Don't get me wrong, there have been times when  I have contributed to these, but I hope in a less vitriolic manner.  And at times I have expressed my concern at the tone and content of some of the posts, and wondered why they haven't been locked for their aggression and lack of charity. But the most aggressive of those ex LDS continues to bait and insult, it is quite shaming, especially when LDS stop engaging and are branded cowards. There is a big drive on over there to raise funds with personnel reportedly being laid off and taking pay cuts. Well maybe it has had its day, maybe something new is needed.

 

Former LDS you say? See, converts again. I believe it. I've seen it both here and there. No humility about their past life. Loud mouths and proud. Hating on their former beliefs for who knows what reason. That is the kind of convert nobody needs. But we all have them. They are a few years away from being the thing they now find so stupid and despicable. Why should such an unstable character be taken seriously about anything? 

Edited September 8, 2013 by 3DOP

[why me]

I spent some time looking through of all the areas, I can't say I read a lot of it, there are millions of posts there.  Over all most posts have nothing to do with the LDS church, it mostly seems like Catholics talking about their practices.  Like I said even in the non-Catholic area there isn't much about the LDS church, at least no more threads about them than others like Lutherans and Orthodox.  I don't know how many over there were banned or why, but there have been many here I've watched get banned or bounced out of threads for reasons I couldn't understand.  I don't see why any board should be given grief over banning people they feel shouldn't be posting for what ever reason they want, pretty much like how I'm entitled to ban anyone I want for any reason from my home.

There are are a few posters who continuously post on the mormon threads that have no disregard for the lds church. And they show it in their posts about the lds faith. It is a constant negative. And mormons are bullied and eventually banned when they defend their faith in a logical and coherent way. It is not a discussion but a beatdown. At the moment a couple of mormons may post there but not for discussion but to answer a question and then they leave and come back to answer a question. Now what is happening are exmormons and critical of mormonism catholics discussing the lds faith. So, it would be peaceful.

[savedbygrace]

Why me, even if a dialogue begins in the right spirit, it is not long before it descends into the predictable baitng and taunting. As a result the LDS poster gives ot up and is then accused of being afraid to re-engage. Sadly I carried spme of these bad habits over here which I regret.But thank God, he gavee a bit of a shaking and a 'take a look at yourself' moment, and as a result I am moving on

[Bart Burk]

That's a new one. I never even heard of that.

 

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8864-vatican-council-calls-for-world-government-central-bank

 

[why me]

Why me, even if a dialogue begins in the right spirit, it is not long before it descends into the predictable baitng and taunting. As a result the LDS poster gives ot up and is then accused of being afraid to re-engage. Sadly I carried spme of these bad habits over here which I regret.But thank God, he gavee a bit of a shaking and a 'take a look at yourself' moment, and as a result I am moving on

You are welcome to post here. I read some of your posts on the catholic site. I think that you did give some of them a wake up call but it went unheeded. My daughter was invisible man and she got banned because the mod thought that she was me. On this board, you will see that mormons are not what is claimed they are on the other site. Mormons and catholics have a good dialogue here.

[savedbygrace]

You are welcome to post here. I read some of your posts on the catholic site. I think that you did give some of them a wake up call but it went unheeded. My daughter was invisible man and she got banned because the mod thought that she was me. On this board, you will see that mormons are not what is claimed they are on the other site. Mormons and catholics have a good dialogue here.

Sorry about your daughter, what can I say?  We have to allow God to heal us otherwise whatever it is that has hurt us turns to a festering sore, and God's peace is destroyed. I love my Lord and pray that he will give me the grace to love my neighbour as myself, there is no virtue greater than charity, not faith, not works, not hours of service, if we have not charity we are nothing, This lesson I am continuing to learn Deo Gratias.

[ChristKnight]

You are welcome to post here. I read some of your posts on the catholic site. I think that you did give some of them a wake up call but it went unheeded. My daughter was invisible man and she got banned because the mod thought that she was me. On this board, you will see that mormons are not what is claimed they are on the other site. Mormons and catholics have a good dialogue here.

 

Why would the mods there think that she was you?

[Calm]

Why would the mods there think that she was you?

Possibly shared the same ip?

[ChristKnight]

Possibly shared the same ip?

 

Very true.

[why me]

Sorry about your daughter, what can I say?  We have to allow God to heal us otherwise whatever it is that has hurt us turns to a festering sore, and God's peace is destroyed. I love my Lord and pray that he will give me the grace to love my neighbour as myself, there is no virtue greater than charity, not faith, not works, not hours of service, if we have not charity we are nothing, This lesson I am continuing to learn Deo Gratias.

So true. You understand well the catholic notion of charity which is extremely human centered and oriented toward love of the other.

[3DOP]

So true. You understand well the catholic notion of charity which is extremely human centered and oriented toward love of the other.

 

It is important to understand that the Catholic Church teaches that among other faculties, our reason is wounded through the Fall. We need grace to be able to do and perceive that which is reasonable. According to the Church, what some perceive as extreme, is merely reasonable. One wants to avoid extremes. One can work to an extreme. One can drink to an extreme. One can take any good thing and ruin it by taking it to extremes. One can pray to an extreme. It isn't easy living an active life in the world while discerning what decisions to make (how to avoid extremes). 

 

I accept the sentiment expressed above. But we are supposed to love our neighbours for one reason. It isn't because they are amiable, although sometimes they are. We love them because God loves them. If we love God we will love what God loves. There is no extremity about our love of neighbor. If Christ in whom we believe loved our neighbor on the Cross, we can expect our love to also embrace the Cross. It will often be painful and contrary to our own preferences. But that is our task. We are to rid ourselves of our own preferences in favor of our neighbours and when we do that, we sometimes sense that God is perfecting us through our neighbor. If we realize that, we can even learn to have the warmest feelings toward those who we might despise if our orientation were inward, preferring ourselves over others. 

 

It is spiritual death to fail in this all important matter. St. John asks how we can love God who we do not see, if we do not even love our neighbours who we do see. So I understand what you meant why me. But it is inaccurate to sat that love of neighbour is taken to an extreme by Catholic charity. No. It is saints doing marvelous works of charity that is moderate and reasonable. In comparison to us, true charity in action only seems extreme. St. Paul said in Rom 12:2 to "offer your bodies a living sacrifice". Wow. Extreme? No. "...which is your reasonable service," he concludes.

 

3DOP

[Storm Rider]

There is so much that is in common and that we can learn from others.

[savedbygrace]

It is important to understand that the Catholic Church teaches that among other faculties, our reason is wounded through the Fall. We need grace to be able to do and perceive that which is reasonable. According to the Church, what some perceive as extreme, is merely reasonable. One wants to avoid extremes. One can work to an extreme. One can drink to an extreme. One can take any good thing and ruin it by taking it to extremes. One can pray to an extreme. It isn't easy living an active life in the world while discerning what decisions to make (how to avoid extremes). 

 

I accept the sentiment expressed above. But we are supposed to love our neighbours for one reason. It isn't because they are amiable, although sometimes they are. We love them because God loves them. If we love God we will love what God loves. There is no extremity about our love of neighbor. If Christ in whom we believe loved our neighbor on the Cross, we can expect our love to also embrace the Cross. It will often be painful and contrary to our own preferences. But that is our task. We are to rid ourselves of our own preferences in favor of our neighbours and when we do that, we sometimes sense that God is perfecting us through our neighbor. If we realize that, we can even learn to have the warmest feelings toward those who we might despise if our orientation were inward, preferring ourselves over others. 

 

It is spiritual death to fail in this all important matter. St. John asks how we can love God who we do not see, if we do not even love our neighbours who we do see. So I understand what you meant why me. But it is inaccurate to sat that love of neighbour is taken to an extreme by Catholic charity. No. It is saints doing marvelous works of charity that is moderate and reasonable. In comparison to us, true charity in action only seems extreme. St. Paul said in Rom 12:2 to "offer your bodies a living sacrifice". Wow. Extreme? No. "...which is your reasonable service," he concludes.

 

3DOP

 

Thanks 3, it is good to have this articulated a lot better than I could. From my perspective, I want to love my neighbour because my Lord requires it of me, because he loved them first even unto death, and with him in me, and me in him, through this union of grace it can be achieved, on my own I fail miserably.

[savedbygrace]

Yes. Loved it.

I am interested Aspire, what did you love about it?