Flds Exodus From Short Creek

[Stone holm]

It's good that people are afraid to assume other people are guilty because of the constitution.  Unless you'd be alright with the authorities just taking someone's word for it if they said some horrible things about you or your loved ones, you should be very supportive of people who are interested in safeguarding citizen's rights.

 

As to the FLDS in texas, i would be extremely surprised if the state is not monitoring them extensively (as they should be).  Why do you believe laws are still being broken there?

 

I also believe that much of what happens there is evil, but then again, i belong to a religion who was also called evil by a lot of people, so I'm hesitant to fully endorse anyone being deprived of their rights without real evidence to support that need. 

 

Gave you a bump on this.  The FLDS seem to be considered guilty until proven innocent.  I suspect it was the same towards us in the early days.

[ERayR]

Maybe because the adults as well as the children are told it is of God. Most people outside these communities, can catch it vs. this closed society, where the adults sit idley by. And if they protest they could very well be killed. Warren had an incinerator put in that was set at exteme temperatures, enough that one could be cremated. This coming from an ex member that was on a polygamy show. It's simply an evil, people are afraid to stop, because of our constitution, though clearly IMO there are laws being broken. No one is varifying birth records or death records that I know of.

 

What are you doing about the sexual abuse of children in your own community?

[ERayR]

Maybe because the adults as well as the children are told it is of God. Most people outside these communities, can catch it vs. this closed society, where the adults sit idley by. And if they protest they could very well be killed. Warren had an incinerator put in that was set at exteme temperatures, enough that one could be cremated. This coming from an ex member that was on a polygamy show. It's simply an evil, people are afraid to stop, because of our constitution, though clearly IMO there are laws being broken. No one is varifying birth records or death records that I know of.

 

The question was:  What is it about the FLDS that has focused your anger on them and not on the problem of sexual abuse of children in the general community?  Please focus on that for a moment.

[ERayR]

Tacenda,

 

Please answer my question.

[cdowis]

Tacenda,

 

Please answer my question.

 

#124.

[EllenMaksoud]

Maybe because the adults as well as the children are told it is of God. Most people outside these communities, can catch it vs. this closed society, where the adults sit idley by. And if they protest they could very well be killed. Warren had an incinerator put in that was set at exteme temperatures, enough that one could be cremated. This coming from an ex member that was on a polygamy show. It's simply an evil, people are afraid to stop, because of our constitution, though clearly IMO there are laws being broken. No one is varifying birth records or death records that I know of.

Cremation furnaces are special. Is there legal evidence of this? Does it still exist? At least the ruins likely do. Are you saying he murdered dissenters?  The stories about that place seem to get more lurid as time passes.

[EllenMaksoud]

The question was:  What is it about the FLDS that has focused your anger on them and not on the problem of sexual abuse of children in the general community?  Please focus on that for a moment.

OH man, here I go talking about personal experience again. This is going to irritate someone.

 

In the 50's I grew up in an unspeakably abusive house. (I'm not goin there). When I ran away to the police, they said it was my fault. When they brought me home, the neighbors blamed me. One day I took a hatchet to him, he got the hatchet but never beat me again.

 

While I was living in Ohio, I would frequently go to Mosque in Parma, a suburb of Cleveland. Usually I took the 480 and got off on 130th. But being bored and alone, I would often explore on the way back to Painesville, Ohio.  My route often took me through the neighborhood where the three Cleveland women were held (Where 71,90 and 3 all cross), and most Muslim shopping is west of there.

 

The point is that these things go on behind closed doors in isolated families. How do we prevent this sort of thing? If you have some answers I would like to read them. Even in the LDS church, which should prevent this sort of thing ...

 

Even today when I drive up the street, I am alert for barred, and blacked out windows. Some of them are just Marijuana grow houses, but on those there are other ways to tell.

 

The only answer I have is prayer and lots of it.

[ERayR]

OH man, here I go talking about personal experience again. This is going to irritate someone.

 

In the 50's I grew up in an unspeakably abusive house. (I'm not goin there). When I ran away to the police, they said it was my fault. When they brought me home, the neighbors blamed me. One day I took a hatchet to him, he got the hatchet but never beat me again.

 

While I was living in Ohio, I would frequently go to Mosque in Parma, a suburb of Cleveland. Usually I took the 480 and got off on 130th. But being bored and alone, I would often explore on the way back to Painesville, Ohio.  My route often took me through the neighborhood where the three Cleveland women were held (Where 71,90 and 3 all cross), and most Muslim shopping is west of there.

 

The point is that these things go on behind closed doors in isolated families. How do we prevent this sort of thing? If you have some answers I would like to read them. Even in the LDS church, which should prevent this sort of thing ...

 

Even today when I drive up the street, I am alert for barred, and blacked out windows. Some of them are just Marijuana grow houses, but on those there are other ways to tell.

 

The only answer I have is prayer and lots of it.

 

That was my point also.  Tacenda seems fixated on FLDS and not the problem in general.  It is happening in your community and mine and in Tacendas.

[EllenMaksoud]

That was my point also.  Tacenda seems fixated on FLDS and not the problem in general.  It is happening in your community and mine and in Tacendas.

It sure is happening right under our noses. I've often wished that I could volunteer in vice or endangered children and find some of these creeps. So many of the other women and some of the men I have come into contact with have sad tales, and it is not just the lower class families. I have known victims from very monied, professional and educated families. And their victims often feel guilt ridden over things that happened.

 

Still, the power of Heavenly Father to change lives if people are open is flatly astonishing. I am one.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

Now do they wander in the desert for 40 years?

I am good with that, don't want them wondering to the South.

[cdowis]

It sure is happening right under our noses. I've often wished that I could volunteer in vice or endangered children and find some of these creeps.

 

 

You might look into becoming a CASA volunteer.  They represent the court in child welfare issues, and many of those childern are endangered.  Thru the court, police and social services the CASA volunteer can help to protect them from abuse.