rodheadlee Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 What is the abomination of desolation?Mark 13;14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the bholy place, (whoso readeth, let him cunderstand I had a revelation during a General Conference way back in 1982 that this was the holocaust;17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.19 And awoe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:21 For then shall be great atribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those adays shall be shortened.But now I'm just not sure how to fit verse 15 with it.Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall apollute bthe sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the cabomination that maketh desolate.Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily asacrifice shall be taken away, and the babomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.Are these events that happen more than once?
CV75 Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 What is the abomination of desolation?Mark 13;14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the bholy place, (whoso readeth, let him cunderstand I had a revelation during a General Conference way back in 1982 that this was the holocaust;17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.19 And awoe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:21 For then shall be great atribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those adays shall be shortened.But now I'm just not sure how to fit verse 15 with it.Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall apollute bthe sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the cabomination that maketh desolate.Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily asacrifice shall be taken away, and the babomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.Are these events that happen more than once?I understand it is a term for the siege of Jerusalem, which took place around 70A.D. (?) and is to occur again in the latter days (or after the Restoration), as part of the tribulations to hit prior to the Second Coming. 1
blackstrap Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 1290 days is 3.5 years.This is given as the time that the church shall flee into the wilderness. A monk I know suggested that this was a prophecy of the apostacy and tied the 1290 days to 1290 years from the apostacy to the restoration. Lots of ways to interpret these verses. Daniel is a bit like Nostradomus in that way.
volgadon Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 What is the abomination of desolation?The scholarly consensus is that the passage in Daniel was originally written about Antiochus Epiphanes who punished the Jewish revolt against his reign by abolishing the daily sacrifices to YHWH in the temple, and instituted worship of a different god, possibly Zeus identified as the Syrian Baal Shamem. The abomination of desolation (shiqutz hameshomem) can be seen as a pun on Baal Shamem, and would have been a statue or cult image. The other option is that it was a stone or extension built upon the altar.Are these events that happen more than once?I believe so, or at the least, are a type of event.
volgadon Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 Ask the Fisher King.Hahaha, ask again in the cruelest month. 1
rodheadlee Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 The scholarly consensus is that the passage in Daniel was originally written about Antiochus Epiphanes who punished the Jewish revolt against his reign by abolishing the daily sacrifices to YHWH in the temple, and instituted worship of a different god, possibly Zeus identified as the Syrian Baal Shamem. The abomination of desolation (shiqutz hameshomem) can be seen as a pun on Baal Shamem, and would have been a statue or cult image. The other option is that it was a stone or extension built upon the altar.I believe so, or at the least, are a type of event.Thanks I knew it had something to do with the Seleucid Kingdom. I was drawing a blank.
rodheadlee Posted January 27, 2013 Author Posted January 27, 2013 1290 days is 3.5 years.This is given as the time that the church shall flee into the wilderness. A monk I know suggested that this was a prophecy of the apostacy and tied the 1290 days to 1290 years from the apostacy to the restoration. Lots of ways to interpret these verses. Daniel is a bit like Nostradomus in that way.Do we have any LDS articles on this prophecy from Daniel?
3DOP Posted January 27, 2013 Posted January 27, 2013 What is the abomination of desolation?Mark 13;14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the aabomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the bholy place, (whoso readeth, let him cunderstand I had a revelation during a General Conference way back in 1982 that this was the holocaust;17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.19 And awoe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:21 For then shall be great atribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those adays shall be shortened.But now I'm just not sure how to fit verse 15 with it.Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall apollute bthe sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the cabomination that maketh desolate.Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily asacrifice shall be taken away, and the babomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.Are these events that happen more than once?From a Catholic perspective, it is easier to picture a future fulfillment with the Mass as the "daily sacrifice", and the "holy place" being where the Holy Eucharist resides with a respect and dignity that is foreign to some other traditions. Antiochus Epiphanes is thought to have polluted the sanctuary once during the times of the Maccabees. This would be one fulfillment on which all would probably agree. Unless you believe in a daily sacrifice like Catholics, or a reestablishment of the animal sacrifices and a Jewish Temple, as some dispensational Protestants do, it seems difficult to hold that there are multiple fulfillments.
MDalby Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Here are some references to the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel:http://LDSLastDays.com/default.aspx?page=pscabomination.htm
DavidB Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 I look at as "what abominable thing or things cause desolation?"
Nathair/|\ Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 Hahaha, ask again in the cruelest month.Well; if you ask the right questions, you can use the grail to heal the wasteland.
bdouglas Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 I've never thought of it as referring to any one thing. To me, the porn plague fits the description of an "abomination of desolation". So would nuclear war.
JeremyOrbe-Smith Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 You know, I gotta say: nekkid folks goin' at it like rabbits doesn't quite compare, in my opinion, to, uh, nuclear war. ymmv.
volgadon Posted January 28, 2013 Posted January 28, 2013 You know, I gotta say: nekkid folks goin' at it like rabbits doesn't quite compare, in my opinion, to, uh, nuclear war. ymmv.You've never seen Dr. Strangelove, have you? =) 1
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