Absurd Censorship Attacks On Irr'S Facebook Page

[KevinG]

Taught for a long time does not mean teach today. Remember the context of those quotes. The Saints were definitely under a great deal of persecution. These are also in the context of a period full of polemics and debate between religions.

I would like to think we have grown up a bit having new light and knowledge.

I would rather associate with Saints who know to appreciate the work of building God's kingdom on earth no matter the denomination vs. the approach of perpetuating misunderstanding and contention.

[jwhitlock]

Light bedtime reading: http://www.amazon.com/What-Mormons-Believe-Robert-Bowman/dp/0830837701

Well, he managed to round up five people to praise him for his book.

And wouldn't you know it, after reading the book, some of them were happy that they now knew the truth about them false Christian Mormons. Must be a real civil book about us, with no generalizations.

Not.

Edited December 31, 2012 by jwhitlock

[Damien the Leper]

Valentinus,

You wrote:

The LDS Church's leaders most definitely taught this for at least a very long time:

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 270)

"Since the Church with its authority and power has been caught away from the earth, the great mother of harlots with all her descendants has blasphemously assumed the authority of administering some of the sacred ordinances of the gospel. They have blasphemed the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, by using it without authority in their ministrations. They have dishonored the name of Christ, by calling their powerless, apostate, filthy and most abominable churches, the Church of Christ. The whole Romish, Greek and Protestant ministry, from the pope down through every grade of office, are as destitute of authority from God, as the devil and his angels. The Almighty abhors all their wicked pretensions, as He does the very gates of hell." Orson Pratt, Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, 18-19.

"We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense ...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century" (John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 6:167).

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, 324). (Note: Juliann said she had a quotation from Cannon, but I don't think she has produced it yet. So now I have given one!)

These are just a few examples.

Thank you for the references. I will do the reading of these quotes in the full context of the documents and or chapters.

[juliann]

These are just a few examples.

No they are not. Try again.

[Calm]

Ah yes, I saw that after he said he's written some books. I'm surprised it isn't called "What Mormons REALLY Believe".

The answer that is really a "nonanswer" appears to be a favourite claim of his.

[jwhitlock]

The LDS Church's leaders most definitely taught this for at least a very long time:

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 270)

"Since the Church with its authority and power has been caught away from the earth, the great mother of harlots with all her descendants has blasphemously assumed the authority of administering some of the sacred ordinances of the gospel. They have blasphemed the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, by using it without authority in their ministrations. They have dishonored the name of Christ, by calling their powerless, apostate, filthy and most abominable churches, the Church of Christ. The whole Romish, Greek and Protestant ministry, from the pope down through every grade of office, are as destitute of authority from God, as the devil and his angels. The Almighty abhors all their wicked pretensions, as He does the very gates of hell." Orson Pratt, Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, 18-19.

"We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense ...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century" (John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 6:167).

"After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (George Q. Cannon, Gospel Truth, 324). (Note: Juliann said she had a quotation from Cannon, but I don't think she has produced it yet. So now I have given one!)

These are just a few examples.

And of course, you're going to ignore the fact that at the time of these quotes, the church was actively persecuted by just about all of the ministers and religionists of the day. That's the context of these particular quotes.

We've supplied you with current quotes and explanations concerning the current attitude of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints towards those of other faiths and denominations. You choose to ignore those and instead claim that these kinds of quotes represent what we really think.

That, Rob, is why I find what you write to be inherently dishonest in nature. You don't want to understand, you just want to misrepresent us according to your own biases.

[Ares]

This is off topic. I allowed my original thread closure to be overridden but at this point the baseless accusation made against "some Mormons" is not supportable and the ongoing debate is not appropriate for the social forum.

Start new threads if you want to debate specific doctrinal or historical issues.