Adam'S Baptism?!

[cesc101]

Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to find biblical passages that teaches this (distinctively) LDS concept - of Adam being baptised, i know its in Moses 6 (but that's only an LDS scripture!)

So, i was wondering if any of you good folks could help (a link to an article would also be appreciated).

Thanks.

[Freedom]

You will not find one. In fact it is very difficult to find any references to baptism in the old testament other than vague mentions to washings.

[cesc101]

You will not find one.

{sigh}

this makes it even more difficult to show he held the priesthood.

anyway, thanks!

[Freedom]

If we would demonstrate the truths of the restored gospel through the bible, there would have been no need for a restoration.

[CV75]

{sigh}

this makes it even more difficult to show he held the priesthood.

anyway, thanks!

If Adam is the figure of Christ, that would be a good reason to believe he had the priesthood (Romans 5:14).

If the genealogy in Luke 3 is also a reflection of associated priesthood authority being passed down, this would also indicate that Adam had the priesthood.

This might be a stretch, but 1 Corinthians 15:45-50 (especially verse 49) shows that Adam bore the image of Christ, and I take to include having the priesthood.

Adam named the animals, and where the Word delegated this job to him, an element of priesthood authority can be seen by Adam’s using words in connection with his stewardship.

[cesc101]

CV75, thanks for the response. I'd actually search through FAIR & NAMI, hoping to find an article relating to the subject (but i found none, maybe am just not good at digging one out!)

Anyway, I really appreciate your comment.

[cesc101]

If we would demonstrate the truths of the restored gospel through the bible, there would have been no need for a restoration.

yep!

but you'll find such demonstration being done quite often, so why not now?

[Calm]

CV75, thanks for the response. I'd actually search through FAIR & NAMI, hoping to find an article relating to the subject (but i found none, maybe am just not good at digging one out!)

Anyway, I really appreciate your comment.

You can send a question in to FAIR and you might get lucky as someone might have some sort of references somewhere such as a tradition on the Priesthood and Adam (isn't there one attached to a garment that was passed down to Noah and then was claimed by Nimrod or something?) Edited December 22, 2012 by calmoriah

[cesc101]

thanks Cal.

I went googling this topic and was amazed at tons of info that came my way, but something else was more puzzling; the EVs do a lot of research to show there was baptism in the OT, yet they scream heresy when Moses 6, teaches similar concept... too bad!

well, I'm off to "ask an apologist"

[Freedom]

yep!

but you'll find such demonstration being done quite often, so why not now?

I find arguments to show that our doctrine does not conflict with the bible, or that there is innuendo to support certain doctrines but the reality is there are many doctrines that are not in the bible. This does not concern me because there aren't many doctrines of most christian religions that are found in the bible. Doctrines such as the trinity, salvation by grace alone, and biblical inerrancy are examples.

[theplains]

You will not find one. In fact it is very difficult to find any references to baptism in the old testament other than vague mentions to washings.

The molten sea fitted on the twelve oxen, that the LDS have in their temples, was used in the Old

Testament as a ceremonial washing basin for the priests, not to proxy baptize dead people (1 Kings

7:23-26; 2 Chronicles 4:2, 6). I read somewhere that certain temples have 6 oxen (with mirrors to

make it appear like 12) to reduce the overall cost.

Regards,

Jim

[cdowis]

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Edited December 24, 2012 by cdowis

[DJBrown]

The Rabbinical literature certainly claims that Adam and the patriarchs held the Melchizedek Priesthood.

For example, Yalkut Shimeoni 12:63 says:

"Thus said the Holy One Blessed Be [to Abraham]: 'Follow me and I will make you a High Priest after the manner of Adam.'"

[cesc101]

The Rabbinical literature certainly claims that Adam and the patriarchs held the Melchizedek Priesthood.

For example, Yalkut Shimeoni 12:63 says:

"Thus said the Holy One Blessed Be [to Abraham]: 'Follow me and I will make you a High Priest after the manner of Adam.'"

Thanks. It appears some of these non-cannonical writings contains a lot of things found within the restored gospel. Do know where one can find some them online?

[Monster]

Retrofitting Mormon Theology into the Old Testament is always a difficult task. Especially if you take it all literally.

[SamIam]

The molten sea fitted on the twelve oxen, that the LDS have in their temples, was used in the Old

Testament as a ceremonial washing basin for the priests, not to proxy baptize dead people (1 Kings

7:23-26; 2 Chronicles 4:2, 6). I read somewhere that certain temples have 6 oxen (with mirrors to

make it appear like 12) to reduce the overall cost.

Regards,

Jim

In that baptism to be complete requires the gift of the Holy Ghost and that requires the Melchizedek priesthood to administer we should not expect to find examples of baptism in the Old testament. We should expect to find types and shadows however, such as the ritual cleansings of the priests etc.

[cesc101]

Retrofitting Mormon Theology into the Old Testament is always a difficult task. Especially if you take it all literally.

True!

Unfortunately, that's what my Evangelical friends are always demanding we do.

[volgadon]

The Rabbinical literature certainly claims that Adam and the patriarchs held the Melchizedek Priesthood.

For example, Yalkut Shimeoni 12:63 says:

"Thus said the Holy One Blessed Be [to Abraham]: 'Follow me and I will make you a High Priest after the manner of Adam.'"

From Midrash Abkir, as preserved in the Yalkut Shimoni.

[Freedom]

True!

Unfortunately, that's what my Evangelical friends are always demanding we do.

If course, your evangelical friends have a much more difficult task, if not impossible one, finding their teachings in the same volume.

[Freedom]

Thanks. It appears some of these non-cannonical writings contains a lot of things found within the restored gospel. Do know where one can find some them online?

the problem you will find is that there is just as much that contradicts the restored gospel. They can be used to show that our teachings are ancient, but not that our teachings are true.

[cesc101]

the problem you will find is that there is just as much that contradicts the restored gospel. They can be used to show that our teachings are ancient, but not that our teachings are true.

thanks for the heads up.

[cesc101]

From Midrash Abkir, as preserved in the Yalkut Shimoni.

thanks for pointing that out.

I was wondering if you (or anyone!) could, point me to where some of this writings can be found online (that is, if they are online)?

[SamIam]

thanks for pointing that out.

I was wondering if you (or anyone!) could, point me to where some of this writings can be found online (that is, if they are online)?

A couple of sites I use from time to time...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/index.htm

http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/

[cesc101]

A couple of sites I use from time to time...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/index.htm

http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/

thanks a million!

[volgadon]

thanks a million!

I'm sorry I missed your question. Apart from those two links, much of the material is not available online in English, though google books can be your friend. Still, if you ever need a specific reference, just ask for it. I should be able to help.