azisbest Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Iss 14:12 How have you fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the morning, you have been cast down to earth, you once laid low the nations.The statements you make indicate that you have put yourself in the place of the most high, for only Heavenly Father judges others. Do you really want to be found judging others when Heavenly Father might notice you. That is a fearful place to be.I made the exact comment that theplains did but pointed at a different group. One wonders why you did not chide him for doing so. And sorry I judged no one just gave my opinion on what they were doing. Additionally I spend not one millisecond wondering what your Heavenly Father might notice. And I do not fear being in this place.
Nathair/|\ Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 I started out my walk as an evangelical, and after over 30 years, I was so frustrated that I left and became Muslim. I did not know about the Mormons at the time. So, it could be argued that I wasted 7 years as a Muslim before returning to Christianity. I can see and feel a huge difference between EV folk and Mormons, and for a while took issue with Mormons even using the name Christians. Finally, the Missionaries and I agreed that Mormonisim is Christianity 1.0 and the rest of them are 8.0 or more. The apostasy after Jesus Christ was and still is very real.Oddly, the Mormons have been the most adamant that I begin to behave and be nice in regard to them. It's not surprising, because if you have the whole truth, you have to live by it. I'm trying. My dear Sister, I don't believe that time was wasted. You wouldn't be the Saint you are now without the things you learned as a Muslim. 1
theplains Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 It is possible to believe the Father was/is a man (now exalted) and still the Eternal God, same with His Son.Many LDS, including myself, believe this.How is Heavenly Father considered to be the Eternal God before he became a God? And, are you also an Eternal Godright now?Thanks,Jim
EllenMaksoud Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 I made the exact comment that theplains did but pointed at a different group. One wonders why you did not chide him for doing so. And sorry I judged no one just gave my opinion on what they were doing. Additionally I spend not one millisecond wondering what your Heavenly Father might notice. And I do not fear being in this place.Happily I am not the Thread Police, so I do not see all or even half the threads. I just have a very different view of Heavenly Father than some and did not intend to judge you.
EllenMaksoud Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 You're doing fine. I think it's great that you have experiences to compare to mormonism and maybe that solidifies your testimony.Thank you for your kindness.As a matter of fact, sometimes I wish that Mormonisim had always been my faith. It is sometimes oppressive to findmyself outside and reaching for my Hijab with the breeze blows through my hair. The momentary stab of guilt is wearing. Actually eating pork (!!!) was a huge shock! Thinking unpopular things about Jews, has gotten me in a lot of trouble, and I hate it.When I hear the Muslim call for prayer it wakens such a longing in me. Even today, there has never been a time when, after hearing that call, that I felt such comfort and joy; knowing that I will spend the next 7-12 minutes acknowleging that I know exactly who Allah SWT (Heavenly Father) is and praising and thanking him for his wonderous works, and his care for me. Oh, I am most certainly Mormon but still, and may forever, have a streak of Muslim in me. I'd like to apologise in advance to any Veterans who have seen the dark side of Muslims. It is not my intent to pick at your wounds. I knew a very different, American, Islam than you saw. It is deeply humiliating that some Muslims serve the Shaitun. (Satan)I'm like a spiritual marble cake, and don't wish that on anyone. The "Mormon women's uniform" was too much for me. The high hems, the tight bodice, and the short sleeve made me feel objectified and I went back to mostly Muslim garb. It is comforting to see, especially in stake events, that some women dress extremely modestly, so I do not feel so alone.
volgadon Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Thinking unpopular things about Jews, has gotten me in a lot of trouble, and I hate it.Nothing to do with thinking unpopular things, but with posting a downright false and inflammatory statement. Muslim-Jewish relations are far more complex than Muslims befriending Jews despite the latter always being perfidious towards the former.
Tacenda Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Thank you for your kindness.As a matter of fact, sometimes I wish that Mormonisim had always been my faith. It is sometimes oppressive to findmyself outside and reaching for my Hijab with the breeze blows through my hair. The momentary stab of guilt is wearing. Actually eating pork (!!!) was a huge shock! Thinking unpopular things about Jews, has gotten me in a lot of trouble, and I hate it.When I hear the Muslim call for prayer it wakens such a longing in me. Even today, there has never been a time when, after hearing that call, that I felt such comfort and joy; knowing that I will spend the next 7-12 minutes acknowleging that I know exactly who Allah SWT (Heavenly Father) is and praising and thanking him for his wonderous works, and his care for me. Oh, I am most certainly Mormon but still, and may forever, have a streak of Muslim in me. I'd like to apologise in advance to any Veterans who have seen the dark side of Muslims. It is not my intent to pick at your wounds. I knew a very different, American, Islam than you saw. It is deeply humiliating that some Muslims serve the Shaitun. (Satan)I'm like a spiritual marble cake, and don't wish that on anyone. The "Mormon women's uniform" was too much for me. The high hems, the tight bodice, and the short sleeve made me feel objectified and I went back to mostly Muslim garb. It is comforting to see, especially in stake events, that some women dress extremely modestly, so I do not feel so alone.Oh if only you and I could trade places for a day, that would bring you back around!! I was born in the covenant, in Utah no less!! It can have drawbacks too, as in I feel very one sided and so naive. But that's just me, most aren't that way. Have you ever heard the statement by one of the church presidency, that said, we welcome people of other faiths to join our church and bring all that you know into it and we'll add to it? We can learn so much from people like you. Let me tell you, it can get so boring without variety. I'd love it if you were in my ward, with the diversity you'd bring. It can be way to bland without converts as yourself! And that is incredible to pray and devote time each time throughout the day as Muslims do. I wish it wouldn't take a commandment or law of Mormonism to get me to partake of that rule, but am afraid it would! I don't have much will power. Thank you for your posts!
EllenMaksoud Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Nothing to do with thinking unpopular things, but with posting a downright false and inflammatory statement. Muslim-Jewish relations are far more complex than Muslims befriending Jews despite the latter always being perfidious towards the former.Well, please don't lets get into another roasting session. As I said before and some people ignore, I have known good, very good Jews, and some that were just awful. I won't back down from that. If you are a Jew, then perhaps you are familiar with the automatic elevators in Israel, and how some Jews won't even get on the elevator with what they see as the unwashed. (I have experienced this.) I was in the home of a non-Jew with a very observant roomate. I was there to nurse the non Jew, who had just had Pancreatic Cancer surgery. This other person became enraged at me for turning the light off in the living room as I went to bed. (If you are a Jew, then you know what that was all about.) My intention, "in my profound and inexcusable ignorance", was to be helpful and compassionate. I had just flown 1500 miles to care for the woman with Cancer, not to become an observant Jew. It was about the ill person, not about them! So, if I offended you, it was not my intention.If you choose to keep persuing this, choose your ground carefully, because I am not backing down. If it comes to the place where they exclude me from this forum for that, then I have experienced that too. No blind worship from this woman.
EllenMaksoud Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 Volgatron:You and I knew each other well, at another time, and we were friends. I won't elaborate, but just ask you to give me the benefit of the doubt.
Calm Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 How is Heavenly Father considered to be the Eternal God before he became a God? And, are you also an Eternal Godright now?Thanks,JimThe same way Christ was the Eternal God before taking on mortality.As far as me, don't think so.
Calm Posted November 9, 2012 Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) Thank you for your kindness.As a matter of fact, sometimes I wish that Mormonisim had always been my faith. It is sometimes oppressive to findmyself outside and reaching for my Hijab with the breeze blows through my hair. The momentary stab of guilt is wearing. Actually eating pork (!!!) was a huge shock! Thinking unpopular things about Jews, has gotten me in a lot of trouble, and I hate it.When I hear the Muslim call for prayer it wakens such a longing in me. Even today, there has never been a time when, after hearing that call, that I felt such comfort and joy; knowing that I will spend the next 7-12 minutes acknowleging that I know exactly who Allah SWT (Heavenly Father) is and praising and thanking him for his wonderous works, and his care for me. Oh, I am most certainly Mormon but still, and may forever, have a streak of Muslim in me. I'd like to apologise in advance to any Veterans who have seen the dark side of Muslims. It is not my intent to pick at your wounds. I knew a very different, American, Islam than you saw. It is deeply humiliating that some Muslims serve the Shaitun. (Satan)I'm like a spiritual marble cake, and don't wish that on anyone. The "Mormon women's uniform" was too much for me. The high hems, the tight bodice, and the short sleeve made me feel objectified and I went back to mostly Muslim garb. It is comforting to see, especially in stake events, that some women dress extremely modestly, so I do not feel so alone.Long pants or skirts for me so I don't have to wear stockings (feel like I'm wearing tourniquets) or expose my vampire white legs (skin cancer runs in the family and I tend to get sick in hot sun so sunbathing has been out for me since ever and after a nasty burn that kept me in my swim suit for three days because anything else rubbed on the burn after just 15 minutes in the noon day sun, I don't even hang out in the swimming pool without a tshirt on), long or three quarter sleeves for comfort plus they don't make me look so top heave if you know what I mean and always loose clothing as I feel claustrophobic in tight.You should never feel uncomfortable about more modest clothing. You can always jazz it up by wearing bright colours and interesting prints. It is more the blah ness of clothes that gives the air of being overly concerned about modesty, IMO. Edited November 9, 2012 by calmoriah
EllenMaksoud Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 Oh if only you and I could trade places for a day, that would bring you back around!! I was born in the covenant, in Utah no less!! It can have drawbacks too, as in I feel very one sided and so naive. But that's just me, most aren't that way.Have you ever heard the statement by one of the church presidency, that said, we welcome people of other faiths to join our church and bring all that you know into it and we'll add to it? We can learn so much from people like you. Let me tell you, it can get so boring without variety. I'd love it if you were in my ward, with the diversity you'd bring. It can be way to bland without converts as yourself! And that is incredible to pray and devote time each time throughout the day as Muslims do. I wish it wouldn't take a commandment or law of Mormonism to get me to partake of that rule, but am afraid it would! I don't have much will power. Thank you for your posts!NO, you would not want to live in my head, tell me you were just kidding, right? Sometimes I feel starkers bonkers, and it gets tiresome and wears on me. I'm not bipolar or anything, just have big, rapid cycle mood swings and it is a lot of trouble to manage. Though, it has been a lot better living with the Mormons, well not actually, but at least I get a dose of sanity mostly on Sundays.Thank you for being so kind! Wallah ! (I swear it). Feel I think Mormonisim is a bit one sided at times, but it is a lot better than some of the beliefs I've experienced!In Islam, sometimes you run into people who want to make every little thing HARAAM! (forbidden). These are the nut case ones. They want your finger nail clippings burned right away, because the evil Jenn (Daemons) eat them, and they want the bathroom door always shut because that is where they live! Mostly the women I associated with are just as into clothes, men, babies and make up as anyone who is normal.Ma Salaama
EllenMaksoud Posted November 10, 2012 Posted November 10, 2012 The same way Christ was the Eternal God before taking on mortality.As far as me, don't think so.I just do not understand why some people feel like they have to have everything explained and understand everything. Are we not the creation of Heavenly Father? "shall the pot be better than the potter?" Isaiah 29:16 Almost every single night when I pray, I tell Heavenly Father that I do not understand something. I'm good with that.
azisbest Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Happily I am not the Thread Police, so I do not see all or even half the threads. I just have a very different view of Heavenly Father than some and did not intend to judge you.Well you totally lost me on this one, lol. I never hinted nor even thought that you judged me.
Calm Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Well you totally lost me on this one, lol. I never hinted nor even thought that you judged me.This comment gives that implication though, I believe. At the very least it is a reasonable inference:One wonders why you did not chide him for doing so.
azisbest Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 This comment gives that implication though, I believe. At the very least it is a reasonable inference:Chiding equals judgment. My wife chides me for leaving the toilet seat up and now I find out that she is at least implying eternal damnation. Who knew?
Calm Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Chiding equals judgment. My wife chides me for leaving the toilet seat up and now I find out that she is at least implying eternal damnation. Who knew?Where does Ellen say anything about eternal damnation? I think you misjudged what she was judging you about judging.
azisbest Posted November 11, 2012 Posted November 11, 2012 Where does Ellen say anything about eternal damnation? I think you misjudged what she was judging you about judging.Indubitably, that is precisely why I said she lost me. Is there an echo in here?
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