Big Dogger Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Big Dogger wrote:We use the word "person" in a philosophical sense. **How does philosophy define the word person? Alexander, I think you are a good person!That is how I would define you as a "person" philosophically. I'm obviously not speaking of you physically because I have never seen you. But through our dialogue, I have come to know a little bit about your philosophical "person."With that mindset, can you try to view the Holy Trinity as three philosophical
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Yes Alexander is a Sentient Entity [ Center of consciousness] Person which you have not seen yet his Nature remains Seperate thou you have not "seen Him " [ His Totality of nature remains the same ]. That certain Philosophy Dialectic can be harmful, Paul advised to stay away from such Rhetoric, see Col 2:8.
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Fiat Lux, See David Waltz response to Mormonism 101 in the Introduction which covers some of this different Models/Forms/Concepts of The Trinity. Peace.
Fiat Lux Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Fiat Lux, See David Waltz response to Mormonism 101 in the Introduction which covers some of this different Models/Forms/Concepts of The Trinity. Peace. I was not curious about David Waltz. I was curious about your view.
Big Dogger Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Yes Alexander is a Sentient Entity [ Center of consciousness] Person which you have not seen yet his Nature remains Seperate thou you have not "seen Him " [ His Totality of nature remains the same ]. That certain Philosophy Dialectic can be harmful, Paul advised to stay away from such Rhetoric, see Col 2:8. Agreed, I have never seen Alexander yet he is still a human of flesh and blood. Even so, when I refer to him as a good "person", I am not referring to his physical makeup. I'm referring to his core, spirit, soul, nature, existence, essence, etc. That dimension of Alexander is still very much who he is. If you were to say that President Hinckley was a great person, would you be referring to his physical stature or the kind nature of his soul?In regard to the Holy Trinity, we simply state there are three
johnny Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Tanyan writes,His Totality of nature remains the same What was the totality of the nature of Jesus the Christ?Was Jesus True God and true man?Is Tanyan's nature's the same nature as Jesus the Christ?Can Tanyan become just like Jesus the Christ?
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 #1 Yes #2 Yes 1/2= Human nature #3 Theosis/Deification yes, Full GODHOOD as THE LORD OF LIFE HAS, No. These are my speculations. Grace.
ScriptureLover Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Galatians chapter 4 says and shows how we are HEIRS of all things that GOd has, through Christ. I would be curious in seeing what is thought of the word and the meaning of HEIR............I know what it is, I am just curious if the Christians understand it fully as Galatians so powerfully presents it to us.........
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Ah come on ScriptureLover all that means is that we inherit evevrything in the Playpen, Barn, Pond, House, Ect... .
johnny Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Tanyan writes,>Was Jesus True God and true man?#1 Yes I would agree Jesus is True God and true man.I would say he was true God because he was sinless.I would say he was true man because he died or his body and his spirit was seperated.What would you say?>Is Tanyan's nature's the same nature as Jesus the Christ?#2 Yes 1/2= Human natureI am not clear on your answer ... are you then saying your are 1/2 God nature?If so when did you become 1/2 God nature?Why do you say 1/2 ... could it be 1/3?Can Tanyan become just like Jesus the Christ? #3 Theosis/Deification yes, Full GODHOOD as THE LORD OF LIFE HAS, No. These are my speculations. Grace. Do you become the divine nature or do you partake of the divine nature?
johnny Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 ScriptureLover writes,are HEIRS of all things that GOd Do you inherit being Father also?The Father is creater of all things ... will you be able to be a creator like the Father ... will you be able to glorify others?
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 #1 Body and spirit separarted but reunited as Body was Changed, never to be separated ever again. #2 Man nature #3 Partake
Alexander Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 big dogger wrote:That is how I would define you as a "person" philosophically. I'm obviously not speaking of you physically because I have never seen you. But through our dialogue, I have come to know a little bit about your philosophical "person."With that mindset, can you try to view the Holy Trinity as three philosophical
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Alexander, Thats Sabellianism/Modalism !!! is it not ?. [Well close !].
Big Dogger Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 big dogger wrote:That is how I would define you as a "person" philosophically. I'm obviously not speaking of you physically because I have never seen you. But through our dialogue, I have come to know a little bit about your philosophical "person."With that mindset, can you try to view the Holy Trinity as three philosophical
Big Dogger Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Alexander, Thats Sabellianism/Modalism !!! is it not ?. [Well close !]. Tanyan beat me to the punch!
johnny Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Tanyan writes,#1 Body and spirit separarted but reunited as Body was Changed, never to be separated ever again.#2 Man nature#3 Partake I would agree with #1 and #3.I still do not understand your answer to #2.Are you saying you are all man nature and no God nature?Are you saying you are 1/2 man nature and 1/2 God nature?Could you better explain ... thanks ...
Big Dogger Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 So God is a person with three different personalities in his head? Allow me to muddy the waters further. God is one...but not solitary.
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Its sure hard to pin down what a person is and is separate yet One Entity.
Big Dogger Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Its sure hard to pin down what a person is and is separate yet One Entity. Bingo! Hence the mystery of the Holy Trinity.Peace be with you.
johnny Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Tanyan writes,Its sure hard to pin down what a person is and is separate yet One Entity. The Catholic Church teaches that the term "person" is ...252 The Church uses (I) the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity, (II) the term "person" or "hypostasis" to designate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the real distinction among them, and (III) the term "relation" to designate the fact that their distinction lies in the relationship of each to the others.
Alexander Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Big Dogger wrote:belief that the three persons of the Trinity are merely different modes or aspects of God, rather than three distinct persons**Well than you have a God who talks to himself, carries on conversations with himself as well as occupies two locations in space simultaneously.Which still makes no sense.
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Have "spark" of divine nature. It has been some time but I believe CATHOLIC Proffessor/Scholar from the past talked of this in his book :THE PHENOMENON OF MAN, that talks of the "spark of Divinity in Mankind. But Full Man nature I posses.
Tanyan Posted December 2, 2004 Posted December 2, 2004 Have "spark" of divine nature. It has been some time but I believe CATHOLIC Proffessor/Scholar from the past talked of this in his book :THE PHENOMENON OF MAN, that talks of the "spark of Divinity in Mankind. But Full Man nature I posses.
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